UAP Release 04 Audio Recording (DVIDS 111830063)

You're coming through loud and clear. Okay, I guess we're good. Three mics. One free. What mics do we need? You want it, Charles? No. How are you? Fine, how are you? Fine. Good. You're fine. Good. Yeah, we tried to go through this, you know, your debrief last night. The printed one. You know, this all the stuff that you guys did on tape, your tech debrief, to get those sort of, we try and not repeat, you know, only amplify stuff. And so we've tried to come up, you know, much time to do that, but I hope we got most of that stuff. Okay. If you think we're hitting some area that you think, you know, is a conflict with that, well, yell, yell us a little. Already? Change around. And some of the things, now there were some things that you guys said yesterday, when I was in the project, you briefed it, that probably bear on some of these, too. Good morning. Good morning, Ed. Thanks. What's going on here? Yeah? Morning, Bill. All right. Hey, Greg. Oh, you're using those buttons? I don't know. I'm on the floor. You know, there is question I identify yourself. Yeah. Trace writing, nor voices. Yeah. I see these people there. Yeah. That's all. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, what's the problem? Yeah. So, what's the problem? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Yeah. I don't read it. We don't have it. We have some stuff, I'm lying. Oh, a picture of that. It was about the one I had yesterday. Morning, you think you're good? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I heard what you did. Okay. She was on your... Okay. Questions and answers. Yeah. Questions and answers. I guess we ought to for the tape identify this Dr. Barry and the for the medical debriefing and I'll try and ask most of the questions that people have. Yep. Some here will find hand them in that way if they're not will you identify yourself and I think they can identify you guys voices pretty well already on the tape so there shouldn't be any problem with the tape thing. and the for the medical debriefing and I'll try and ask most of the questions that people have. Yep. Some here will find hand them in that way if they're not will you identify yourself and I think they can identify you guys voices pretty well already on the tape so there shouldn't be any problem with the tape thing. They're not loud enough. It's a little down, yeah. Mr. Burntard. Where is he? Probably outside, I guess. Can you get him a turn on my side? Well. We can yell for a while here for the help and then we can get him a turn on my side. You just speak up loud. One, two, three, four, five, five, four, three, two, one. The trick is coming out of the oven. Is that where it's coming from there? I think we'll get somebody in there. I think I've come. One, two, three, four, five, five, four, three, two, one. Test out. It's going to be better to sweep down. I think the knob's rolling on this one. We're going to reach out to the bottom and clear it back there. It's not coming in there though. They're not getting it in there. We can hear them great but they're not here in us very well. We're looking both of you real fine back there. Yes, inside. The speaker out the mic. Okay. It's better way better than we did. I said it all the middle of the setting and here's some of the max. The max is a bit of an unbiased person. Oh really? Hey, that's a lot better. Okay, you can hear that? It's labeled wrong. There is screw down. That's too much. Yeah. Yeah, we can hear you out here now. That's great. Okay, I'm excited. Okay. Good show. Okay. I'm going to start a little bit out of order here but one of the things that sort of forbades it all is medical requirements. In the section 27 you had some comments about the medical requirements and I thought we ought to just give one question with you. In explaining the medical requirements we have one opportunity to do that with deep of course at the time that we're trying to get the medical requirements document published. uirements. In the section 27 you had some comments about the medical requirements and I thought we ought to just give one question with you. In explaining the medical requirements we have one opportunity to do that with deep of course at the time that we're trying to get the medical requirements document published. The second, the only opportunity we really get to go over that with you was at the 30-day debriefing prior to the fright. Did you guys feel that you had an understanding of what the requirements were because when I read this it sounds like you did not. Is that true? I think we read the forms, Chuck, and others did in general what you were after at least the number of sessions we had. I think it's a question of degree. Yeah. Okay. Well, one of the things we try is a very valid thing like, I think, as comments about, you know, you should substantiate requirements. No question about that. They should be clear. They should be clear to you in the sense that you ought to know that what you are doing is is worth why I'm the stuff is used and it isn't wasted somewhere down the line. Somebody is just doing it for fun. Yeah. And we try, that's something we try to iron out pretty hard on our own house. And one of the things I'd like to do is if we run, if you guys end up at the sometime before the end of the quenching period here, and at some time we got to have that data together by then and then prior to the time that we're going to get in the out if you've got an hour or some time we might be able to go over with you and show you. Here's what we saw with you and with the lab data and the whole bit and say, because, you know, it's very hard to get back together again after you get out of here to do that sort of thing. Everybody says they'd like to know what happened to them. And we could do that to you and here and tell you that, and here are the samples that were used to do that. So you have some idea of understanding about how to end. Would that be worthwhile to you? Yeah, the comma was made not from the point of view, a specific complaint about our flight. But just, you think, continuing understanding between the two directorates. We agree. ere are the samples that were used to do that. So you have some idea of understanding about how to end. Would that be worthwhile to you? Yeah, the comma was made not from the point of view, a specific complaint about our flight. But just, you think, continuing understanding between the two directorates. We agree. I had it done because it's a kind of thing, well just like without a scientific requirement, unless the crew understands the reasons and agrees with it, you know, the thing is you're going to be successful as a bremmer. Amen. So it wasn't the comma, it wasn't made from a point of criticizing anything specifically about our article at all, just to reiterate what we did. We've got to know, but it doesn't know what to think about. Yeah. Good. And I think Chuck also probably the last few weeks before flight is not the time to try to brief the crew on the medical requirements. At that time, there are thoughts you're quite a bit on other things. And perhaps it needs to come earlier than that. Err, that's a good, nothing good point. I think each one of us is concerned with ourselves medically or the medical effects of physiology of flight, et cetera, et cetera. But the last few weeks, you just can't get yourself cranked up to really think about those things, except for the things that are going to happen to you, so you can be mentally prepared for it. Right. I think I may have precipitated that comment, at least when we got that area, and started that, there about, and I guess it really wasn't a complaint. Chuck, as much as just a statement that it's a drag, you know, going through collecting urine for 24 hours and so forth and that. And you know, I just wanted to tell us a day and that you sure hope that it's worth a while. And I think it would be interesting to sit down and see how you, what you're really doing with all that. Good. I think that's really needed because we're trying to do that right now with this kind of accrues to tell you, well, we really know about what happens to man, what we know from the Russian side of the thing is to what's happened on even there longer when nd see how you, what you're really doing with all that. Good. I think that's really needed because we're trying to do that right now with this kind of accrues to tell you, well, we really know about what happens to man, what we know from the Russian side of the thing is to what's happened on even there longer when put the thing together and say, here's what, here's what we don't know, and why we need to know it. Well, I think we understood, or I understood your need to work out the total body water. But the actual mechanics of how that fit into a 24 hour urine collection six times and you know, blood drawing and how that all fit in the picture, the theoretical picture you write, meaning for us, I never understood that. Okay. I very now. I think everybody stands on these things. Why don't we make a specific recommendation to this point? You know, all the flakers have a training plan which is set up about the time of the flakers and pizzeria. And it includes all kinds of things and the simulator and scientific briefings and everything else and why is, why wouldn't the best way to do it, but actually to schedule the time for medical briefings early in the training program? I think if you all, kind of, rest of the view all feel the experiment's worthwhile doing, you want to get your protocol settled earlier now in the game so you have all the equipment or whatever you need. Amen. Where it is, right, will be a satisfactory test. So I would suggest that maybe sometime, maybe we schedule in the crew training program early in the game. And I should take, because one of those things you've got to check off like systems, briefings, and everything else. And I should take that briefing, should consist of a bit of the theoretical thing you're trying to do, followed by the mechanics and the protocols. What that means to you. That's right. The mechanics of how you go about doing it, the number of punctures and where you're going to do it, and how many year-end samples and the sort of thing. Great. Just so the guys understand. Great. Okay. I'd like to go back and pick up on it on the exercise area. You mentioned this in the debrief and you mentioned it again in the yesterday. about doing it, the number of punctures and where you're going to do it, and how many year-end samples and the sort of thing. Great. Just so the guys understand. Great. Okay. I'd like to go back and pick up on it on the exercise area. You mentioned this in the debrief and you mentioned it again in the yesterday. But can you give me some idea? Now you said you missed, as I remember the debriefing statements here, you commented that you missed one day on the way out and one day on the way back. And can you say what you did in time, what the exercise consisted of, what you did roughly in time. I know you won't know the minute or second or anything, but it's roughly as you can. And then, what, if you have any idea that you try and judge what you did as far as, did you try and get a heart rate increase, or did you try and judge your exercise level in any way? And this is particularly important for us in trying to separate out the effects that are different between the two of you are on the surface versus two who is in the spacecraft all the time. So we want to keep that and want to get that straight as we can. Could you just sort of brief the exercises because the way you did it, maybe each of you have to do it because you probably did it differently. But what we were shooting for was about a 10-minute period per day, exclusive about the two days of lunar service activity for two of us. And still it was going to try to get by 10-minute period per day for cleaning of the day. The method of exercise during the 10-minute period was to use this extra gym device which we have. And to operate that in such a fashion that the old, what they call the big four, we start out with the legs and feet and two loops in your hands, controlling the friction device from a cross position to a full stretch out. And do that several times. Then hold the fixed loops and use the legs and the movement balloons. And then hold the fixed loops with the toes and use the biceps and movement balloons. That's the general pattern that we tried to follow. But we didn't make all of those time periods. We missed the first day out because of what we didn't have in schedule the first day out. nd use the legs and the movement balloons. And then hold the fixed loops with the toes and use the biceps and movement balloons. That's the general pattern that we tried to follow. But we didn't make all of those time periods. We missed the first day out because of what we didn't have in schedule the first day out. Well, it was in the flight plan but I don't think anybody's going to exercise the first day anyway. In fact, it should never have been in the flight plan to exercise the first day. Pretty hard to get that in and then first day. I don't see any problem with the docking process. You don't really need it in that first day anyway. You don't really need it in that first day. Well, in retrospect, I think that it would probably have believed you in some of the sore back muscles that first day would go ahead and do it in my case. It was kind of like one of those things where they said, okay, you want to exercise. Put in the flight plan and I said, yeah, we've got to have in the flight plan. We won't do it. We're going to put it in before lunch every day, before the mid-meal of the day. That's how we get in there. You said the X-ray genie or the X-ray genie? The X-ray genie is a trade name. Yeah, they're both similar device. It's the same thing. It's the friction one. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. And so 10 minutes a day is what you had programmed for the thing. Did you have any... Did you feel that you really got a fair amount? Did you get up any increase in breathing rate or high rate that you were aware of when you did it? Yeah, we didn't do it quantitatively, but some of the... Yeah. I always tried to stop short of cracking a sweat. It's just not desirable to get all sweaty in the spacecraft. I felt like I was pulling it somewhere around 10, 15 minutes. I could feel a heart rate going up and the breathing going up, but I would never do it to the point of a sweat. And it's not a vigorous exercise. It's more of a tension exercise. I put enough load on it to work. It was a hard pull, but a slow pull. It's due. like I was pulling it somewhere around 10, 15 minutes. I could feel a heart rate going up and the breathing going up, but I would never do it to the point of a sweat. And it's not a vigorous exercise. It's more of a tension exercise. I put enough load on it to work. It was a hard pull, but a slow pull. It's due. You just go about that same weight in for the whole thing when you were alive. I'd like to just summarize exercise. In my case, I probably didn't exercise as much in retrospect as I would have if I were doing it again. For various and secondary reasons, one is, you don't feel a need for the exercise. You just got to say, well, I'm going to go do this. There were a couple of times that we got out the exercise period, so we got out the exerciseer and allinated, have had it, not be doing something. I'd say, well, I'll put it over here and I'll get to it in a minute. And then I don't want to occasion several hours later, I find, got around to getting it and doing some exercise on it. I'd say probably five to ten minutes was the length of time. I was straining pretty hard. I didn't work up a sweat, but you use this thing. You can use it about any way you want. Going through the ropes is really designed to where you hold and do an isometric first. Then go right from the isometric into the isotonic and you get the whole schmere. I'd hold pressure on the thing and strain against it. You can strain as little as hard as you want, but that's straining reasonably hard. Then relax the tension and pull it up. But I'm trying to think, I'm sure that I missed one exercise period on the way out completely that Alan had got in. I didn't know exercise at all the noon or orbit that thinking of the extra gym was never even crossed my mind for those two days. Then in preparation for entry, I said, I'm really going to hit that on the way home. As it turned out, I fairly got in the one exercise a day that we did on the way home. I would say overall, I'm sure I didn't hit the extra gym as much as I probably should have. m was never even crossed my mind for those two days. Then in preparation for entry, I said, I'm really going to hit that on the way home. As it turned out, I fairly got in the one exercise a day that we did on the way home. I would say overall, I'm sure I didn't hit the extra gym as much as I probably should have. I don't know how, from my point of view, he's tight. In a case like this, we tried to correlate the relationship of the exercise at the end of the day. In its benefits or lack thereof with respect to the one in the surface of the brain, which was over 30 hours. I just think the workload, the basic workload there, along this, and have a different view. I put that exercise thing down at the noise level. As far as the competition now, the noise level is far as the two of us. I think that's probably very right now. I think the thing we want to know is, with Stu trying to make up for it in some way with exercise in the space group, because he obviously, there's no way he could make up for what you were doing on the surface. He's trying to get a real busy flight point. I don't think he could do it. This is what I wanted to find out was he trying to do a lot more or something during that time. No, I wasn't. I think that'd be a difficult thing to try to do, really. I don't know. You're going to, maybe with the longer period in lunar orbit, CMP may not be quite as busy or maybe. I suspect he probably will be. I think it's going to be difficult to get in my exercise there. But no, I was going to break it to the bridge. Yeah. So obviously, Stu's greater interest were running the spacecraft. For example, B23s took a lot of time to show you how it was. That was the kind of thing I'm talking about. But if you're going to get the individuals to try to exercise and respond to exercise, then you're going to have to get to really explain the benefits of the crew as it was all along. Right. Because it really is an individual thing. That's right. And we haven't tried to set any numbers of times that you do anything or anything like that. et the individuals to try to exercise and respond to exercise, then you're going to have to get to really explain the benefits of the crew as it was all along. Right. Because it really is an individual thing. That's right. And we haven't tried to set any numbers of times that you do anything or anything like that. And so we need to really carefully look at that as an area. Okay. Ed, while I had one that came up yesterday, when you guys were talking about myrtles, reminded me of the prongs, jihadi, and fright with the urine, kinking of the urine hose and so forth. How much time did you make a conscious effort in your own particular case? Because it's important to try to chase down your status post-flight here. The time that you had the ensued urine device on, did you have it? Yeah. It wasn't my hose that was kinking. Right. Right. It was ours. Yeah. I get it twice as worth that. Probably all the time. All the time. We had it done. I guess we have to look back on the transcript or look back on the flight plan. We took it off the first time. We all ensued it at the same time, which was about six hours, seven hours into the flight. All right. Somewhere in there. And we put the UZTA zone, a PDI morning, and we took them off only when we got back to the spacecraft after talking. And it was all for those who curious. Only. And I never experienced any discomfort. I never had any problems whatsoever. That was the way we discussed pre-flight. No symptoms of any sort. Great. Well, it looks like, you know, we didn't have any. And you did well. How did you feel? That's a, I don't know, you might just, you know, I'm fluid intake. It sounds like you all thought the water was great. So you were, you were drinking well. Did, did you, were you trying to force fluid? Were you trying to consciously force fluid? Yeah, I think you now. In my case, anyhow, I tried to drink, take a drink out of the water gun, about every time I went by it. I did find that I referred the juices to water. r was great. So you were, you were drinking well. Did, did you, were you trying to force fluid? Were you trying to consciously force fluid? Yeah, I think you now. In my case, anyhow, I tried to drink, take a drink out of the water gun, about every time I went by it. I did find that I referred the juices to water. And surprisingly enough, as much as I did not care for the juices, pre-flight. Particularly, I didn't pray for anything. We were drinking a couple of juices per meal, a large portion of the time. I was. And in addition, taking the shots from the water down, about every time I go by it. I, I, I forced myself to drink the water. Not that it tasted bad or anything, but just, just to keep the fluid intake up. And so I would, I would drink water, you know, like it says, every time you pass the water, you say, well, I think I'll try some of that. And one person would take a drink of water and pass it around and would, would put it back up. Did, is there any chance that you, you stay in the deep reading, you, you thought you drank about half of the juices as they did? I said, it's probably good average. They, they, I know I could say probably say a third less. A third less? Yeah, I, in juices. Yeah, you drank two juices. So, yeah, I drank two occasionally, toward the, toward the end, I was, I was drinking two more than, uh, I was, because a lot of times you'd drink a cocoa and a juice and I'd bypass the cocoa. Uh, and I'd just drink a juice. So, I'd say probably, and this is a wag, but I'd say a third less juice than they did. Okay. Well, I think I'd kind of decided, I was going to try to do everything I could to, uh, end up in a, spend chambers I could at the end of the mission, which included, uh, keeping the food intake and the food intake up, as well as the exercise. And, uh, it's generally what we try to do. You didn't read it, you know, right? I think I'd kind of decided, I was going to try to do everything I could to, uh, end up in a, spend chambers I could at the end of the mission, which included, uh, keeping the food intake and the food intake up, as well as the exercise. And, uh, it's generally what we try to do. You didn't read it, you know, right? We had to try to get two juices per, per meal, most of the time. Okay. There was a, uh, question here, but I did, uh, for you, particularly, did you eat more, you feel why you would, while they were with you, I remember with you in the spacecraft, and when you were, um, eating, drinking better. I saw on your food thing. Well, I'll say, yeah, what's your, go ahead. I saw on your food, uh, uh, comments there that, that you, you had difficulty, you know, the food preparation thing, you'd have preferred if you had some, some nice and canned things, you could have opened quickly and gotten to when you were along that way, and I can surely understand that, I think it's something I'm going to look at. Well, that's the way I did eat. Yeah. Uh, that's, because we had them there. I guess it didn't come out right, because that's the way I did eat in the New York. I would say, uh, I'd say the answer to your question would be yes, uh, that, that I ate more when, when they were in there, but the idea of people being together is, is nothing in that. It's a time factor. Yeah. Uh, you know, during the coast, during the coast phase, you have more, uh, you have more time to, you know, the word about eating. Uh, during that lunar orbit phase, I didn't have any time at all. And, uh, to, you know, any extra time, and particularly with the troubleshooting the highcon and so forth, uh, so, uh, I didn't have the inclination or, I wanted to go to the trouble of trying to mix up, uh, amelist such and I didn't much like that, uh, going to all that trouble anyway. I didn't have any time at all. And, uh, to, you know, any extra time, and particularly with the troubleshooting the highcon and so forth, uh, so, uh, I didn't have the inclination or, I wanted to go to the trouble of trying to mix up, uh, amelist such and I didn't much like that, uh, going to all that trouble anyway. So, uh, I opened up, you know, can, uh, that chicken salad, I think it was, and I had that for breakfast. And, uh, in a wet pack and, you know, that's the type of food that you can really get to in a hurry and eat. Right. So, I wouldn't say overall that, uh, that probably ended up eating too much last, but it was a little different rather than sitting down and mixing up a re-hyde rateable pack and so forth. So the total amount, you don't think was any different because you're there, but it was just different kinds of food. It may have been a little less, but, uh, do you, do you personally feel that you know the weight losses involved here? You know, that they, uh, you got one pound each year and you got a 10 pound one and I heard you're coming about the scale yesterday too. But, uh, with, do you have any personal reason why you think there's that much difference in the weight loss I mean, is there any, as you know, that you personally tried to account for it other than that, that food intake, water, and paper, anything that's right. No, I just, I'm not sure that there's anything magic about, uh, about the zero G or the fly. I would suspect I'd probably lost several pounds if I'd eaten that same, uh, same menu and sat right here. Uh, I, uh, I probably think that I was, uh, turning pounds overweight when I went into the flight, uh, some matter of fact, you know, I'm not a big eater. And, uh, during most of my, during most of the time you come up on training, uh, I drink a can of sicko and a can of VH juice for breakfast. nu and sat right here. Uh, I, uh, I probably think that I was, uh, turning pounds overweight when I went into the flight, uh, some matter of fact, you know, I'm not a big eater. And, uh, during most of my, during most of the time you come up on training, uh, I drink a can of sicko and a can of VH juice for breakfast. And then I eat a sandwich for lunch and, uh, you know, maybe drink a two or three cans of beer and eat a sandwich and even. And, you know, I can go for days on a menu like that. And I don't know how many calories all that adds up to you, but, uh, you know, it's, it's not a really a, a high calorie, uh, diet. And I would say that that pretty much was my diet for three months prior to going into quarantine was just about what I, uh, what I stayed at there. And then when we got into quarantine, or then I started eating, eating more breakfast and eating a bigger meal in the evening. And, uh, so I think I probably, uh, was sort of four pounds, heavy going in, going into the flight. And, uh, so I, uh, I think the weight loss may be overplayed a little bit because I think I, uh, had a few extra pounds and then plus I don't think that, uh, maybe we picked the right, uh, the right weight up on the, on the rolling scale. But, uh, that's needed here and there, you know what? Well, we can probably show you something about that from when we get your lab, mature, pull together. I think we'd be able to give you a better handle on that as to whether, you know, it really was something that had to do with the zero G state or not. We hope we'll be able to do that. So we'll try. Well, I think it's the other general comment, which I think reflects the consensus here with three of us that, with respect to the food in general, the type of food, the method by which it was packaged and so on. And, uh, and the degree to which we like it, just like it was primarily a function of the, uh, level of activity in the flight plan. er general comment, which I think reflects the consensus here with three of us that, with respect to the food in general, the type of food, the method by which it was packaged and so on. And, uh, and the degree to which we like it, just like it was primarily a function of the, uh, level of activity in the flight plan. But the businesses are going into the pantry and taking time to select foods and drinks and so on. It's fine during the quiet periods because that things like, uh, like spoon, spoon packages are good. The level of activity is not too high, but certainly the level of activity is high. The weapon packs and the cans and that's what I want to take time for with. I think this is a general comment that really reflects our consensus. It was a time consuming part of the day to prepare meals, uh, get them all, get them out of the food box, get them all laid out, cut all the tops off, get all the water into them, get them the size and go by the, get the pill back in there. Get the pill back in there. It's an effort. Right. And, uh, you know, it's a lot easier to open up a can and a web pack and then, uh, th