UAP Release 04 Audio Recording (DVIDS 111830069)

So my streets appeared to be on the periphery and for the first several days I got the impression that this direction was predominant. Later on it appeared that I don't think I could get that good pattern, but that was my first impression for the first couple of days. The next question is, was there any apparent direction of propagation and could you tell all of us coming from one side to the other for what system we were going to apply? Number nine, you didn't say from the left to the right or something like that. Tried to correlate it, but in my case I couldn't really correlate a pattern out of it. Yeah, I would think that the time period which we tried to report them straight by street, flash by flash was representative. And it was my feeling that it was generally random during that time period and therefore generally random throughout the time that we were noticing. No, I meant could you detect that it was moving from one side to the other? Yes. It was moving in a specific, an A specific flash. Yes. But you could see it as a prevel from one side of the house. You really think we tried to report that way? Yes, you did report a mass to where it was coming from. It's because it happens to be very fast. And that question kind of redundant then? I don't believe you. Was there some character for these flashes that had some aspect of direction? Were they all the same Ron Chabes or were they have a tail on it? Well, what I reported as a streak was simply that. Now, maybe the way we determined the direction subconsciously was that it was a ball of light moving in a direction, leaving a tail. But I don't, I can't say that for sure. All I reported was a streak and I had the impression of it moving from one direction to the other. And I reported that direction and I can't clarify much more than that. You want to ask me a question? We just to ask the lights. I think they can see this in the dark and blue. But just right. The idea is to try to see whether this is what you saw or similar to it. I think you need to like that bit. Can you see anything? Yeah, I can tell. That's what it looked like except it was traveling. In other words, it started out and it definitely progressed across the field of view. k and blue. But just right. The idea is to try to see whether this is what you saw or similar to it. I think you need to like that bit. Can you see anything? Yeah, I can tell. That's what it looked like except it was traveling. In other words, it started out and it definitely progressed across the field of view. The direction of motion for individual. It was really that bright. Yeah, except you're not traveling. It was traveling. You started it right in the E3. I never did see two simultaneously either. Neither did I. You have two streaks on that. I never saw that. At one time you saw a semi-colon shaped thing. So what? A semi-colon shaped object. This was in the first report. Before the... I never did. But if I reported it, that's what I saw. But I don't remember it. Did you see anything that looked like this? All I can say is whatever was reported is what I saw. No, we discussed the various shapes prior to flight. I concentrated pretty hard on trying to see the shapes. I think as I reported that. No, it was either a streak and just a rather simple streak. The radar was a flash and rather a simple flash. Nothing too exotic about it. And a more rare one would be maybe just a pin-point of light for an instant. Rather than get the idea of a flash. It would just be a pin-point for a second and it would be gone. But that was more rare than the other two. But a flash, you mean a distributed, so I think you're right. I'm like watching an explosion. You know, just a ball versus just a steady dot. Yes. Was it light? Did you see that? No. Can you see this one? I think it's a hole. I can't see it. Can't see it. We're not getting light. I don't think it's light. Oh, there was something just as you turned it there. Okay, you can see that. I mean, multiple... No. This one. Okay, that to me would be the pin-point that I'm describing. The eruption or the novas we call them would be more of an explosion. Yeah. I like this. Yeah. And there are more dots than that. light. Oh, there was something just as you turned it there. Okay, you can see that. I mean, multiple... No. This one. Okay, that to me would be the pin-point that I'm describing. The eruption or the novas we call them would be more of an explosion. Yeah. I like this. Yeah. And there are more dots than that. Well, you've got a very, very bright center and a diffused edge. I would say that the impression I had was you would have an area like that indicating a blow up. But the center wasn't predominantly that bright. But that's getting closer to what we would call... What I would refer to as an ova or a flash. That's not as bright as what I call an ova, yeah. And was your nova... And exploded like this or at the speed of flight flight? No, it was... What I call an ova was more of a blob that seemed to start with that and kind of expand. More diffused. Yeah, more diffused as time went on. Righter than that. Righter than that, yes. That's what I'm about, what I call a flash or a star. Here again, you've got too much contrast between the center and the diffused area there though. That's more. Also your time frame that your flash you got too low, it was faster than that. Am I right? And what you just said, when you said flash, you really meant a star or not a... What did you just describe? I think I almost didn't use flash and star-interchange but that's on proof of you. No, when I flash, nova to me were essentially the same thing. The only distinction I make is the pinpoint versus an explosion. Okay, I think what Stu was calling a pinpoint was about what I call a star or a flash. And a nova to me was a much bigger, brighter thing. Okay, a couple of quick ones first of all, the cabin light. Exactly, was it completely dark or was there some instrument lights still on? Absolutely dark. Absolutely dark. Okay, well, you can talk about the time frame that we ran this quantitative report. Right, right. Completely dark. Okay. And did you have your eyes closed? Most of the time, were they open in the dark cabin? , was it completely dark or was there some instrument lights still on? Absolutely dark. Absolutely dark. Okay, well, you can talk about the time frame that we ran this quantitative report. Right, right. Completely dark. Okay. And did you have your eyes closed? Most of the time, were they open in the dark cabin? Mine was closed. Yeah, I like both. Even though we had the window shades on, when we roll around to the sun, we had to have a window with some light sea picture on the wall or that anytime. So during that time, we had at least, I made the tent close. Close my eyes, close. Yeah, open to the lights. And of course, we closed our eyes when we had flipped his lights on. But generally speaking, eyes were open. No, mine was almost closed all the time. I was floating down the corner of the LED, but I kept my eyes closed because I didn't know when my roll-in to the sun and I didn't want to pick up any light at all. Okay, the next question on the flashlight was, when you shine it in your eyes, what was the approximate duration in each eye by how many seconds? Well, I just kind of moved it across for all five seconds or so. Five or six seconds, it hurt. It was very bright. And the next question on still your orientation in the LED. You said you were looking toward plus X. Is we you across? I was generally, you know, how you have the three couches and plus X is, I was oriented this way with my head looking face up down in this corner. So your head was in the same direction as it would be if you were on the couch just right there. Yes, that's it. And the next question is, in almost every case, you did report that it was in one eye. And the other is one, it's where you had a bow die. And my question is, maybe someone redundant, but you absolutely certain that you've been distinguished that it was one eye as opposed to... Yeah, I felt I was getting more on the left than the right, so far. In fact, your whole heavily blasted both the right on the one on your reports. Really? Very heavily. Like, like, we were both on one. And I was biased to the left. olutely certain that you've been distinguished that it was one eye as opposed to... Yeah, I felt I was getting more on the left than the right, so far. In fact, your whole heavily blasted both the right on the one on your reports. Really? Very heavily. Like, like, we were both on one. And I was biased to the left. You had 12 right and 6 left. And Allen, you had 10 right, 4 left. And on the ones in reports, do you have 6 right, 2 left. And the rest were in no reports or both on. It was all very heavily bid vice to the right eye. That's very surprising. Well, Bill. Well, I'm talking about that. It seems to me that I would get a flag, sure, a streak or whatever the phenomenon or whatever the... ...shake was, simultaneous with somebody else reporting. That's exactly the next question. We... There were three from listening to the tapes, three events. And it occurred in cases where... ...different pairs were followed. Which were coincidences where... And I think in one case... ...Ed, you said flash. And then Allen, you said simultaneous with him. I have flash in the whole right eye. Now, my question would be... When it was simultaneous, was it... ...after he began speaking or was it in fact... ...was his words good enough for you to have been marked on your flash? Well, with certainty, with an infraction in a second, I think it was time for things. Yeah. The couple of times that happened to me, it was... ...his mark or whoever he was was good enough. Okay. Same here. And then the next question is earlier before the session, when you were describing some of the subjective observations. You mentioned the halos that you'd seen. That you'd see a flash followed by... And we finally had to take his halos off to put it away. Yeah. So it would be, I'm sorry. Well, okay. How did you know? The actor, Vex, were they present most of the time? Did you see, did you have... ...spiking a sort of blow afterwards? Only on what I call the Nova or the Supernova. I'm not sure if it's for you, just do. I really know the halo effect myself. way. Yeah. So it would be, I'm sorry. Well, okay. How did you know? The actor, Vex, were they present most of the time? Did you see, did you have... ...spiking a sort of blow afterwards? Only on what I call the Nova or the Supernova. I'm not sure if it's for you, just do. I really know the halo effect myself. I guess I'm not sure what we're calling the halo effect. You mean a diffused brightness? More like an actor blow after. Did I call any of those? I sure don't remember it. No, I didn't describe it. Yeah, I don't think I saw any of those. Okay. And all the other questions we had was, do you want to make any observations in Linder or... I know there were no formal theories, but... You know, I thought about that on the way back. And I was so tired that night that I really don't remember seeing any flashes, but I didn't look for any either. So I guess the question would be, I consciously did not sing any, but I sure... I wouldn't take that as a data point. Okay. And then the final question that I have is, after our formal session, I was on, was it about 191, G-E-T, you then had a sleep period later on. Do you remember whether you saw any during that sleep period closer in? It was significant, whether you're inside the Magnetopolum. I don't consciously recall, but I don't really recall that there was any night, except on a Linder surface, that I didn't, at some time or another sleep cell. You definitely didn't see any on the Linder surface? I just... No, I don't remember about the Linder surface. Oh. There was a press that was a little sleep that night. You were too careful. Okay, well, I saw the press that I had. We had to house the light for a minute. It was like, while you're dousing light, I have one additional question. Did you get the impression that a light places could have been within the cabin are definitely within your eye? Definitely within the eye. Okay. I want to get some idea about orientation and length of the streets. Did you ever see anything that caught my eye? ou're dousing light, I have one additional question. Did you get the impression that a light places could have been within the cabin are definitely within your eye? Definitely within the eye. Okay. I want to get some idea about orientation and length of the streets. Did you ever see anything that caught my eye? No, no. I never did. You used the terminology of six o'clock or hours of the clock. Does that mean to you when you say six o'clock to the center about how long the street is that? That's a hard question to answer. If you were visualizing something about it, so, oh, about the arms length away from you. How long would you say your longest street was? That long? Do you see my fingers? I'll show it over. Let me describe it a different way. Give you a... It appeared to me that the things... I would say were three or four inches away from my... my plane, whatever that means. And we're a couple inches long. Tell us what it means. And a couple inches long. It's way more inches in front of you. It's... It looks like this. Too long. Too long for me. I mean too long, I guess. See that line up a lot? One of above looks better. Yeah, that's nice. Probably fairly close. Yeah, I'd say it's probably closest to the longest one. See, I'm not sure what our scale is here. I'd rather say that if I consider whatever it may be, but the feel the view of saying my right eye and take a radius of that, that I'd put a streak of about half the radius would be the average streak. Half a little longer. Okay. Do you think there's a way that you can... You can associate this length of the streak to what you said... with a longer chart or a given session? Well, depending on how big a circle I want to draw from my field of view, I saw streaks that long because with my eyes closed, I imagine a rather big field of view here in my eye. I'd see streaks that long. And one time you said you saw streaks orienting a certain direction. Do you remember that? Yes. The way you had it, bring it on up that way. And the end? Well, I think I had them from several directions because with my eyes closed, I imagine a rather big field of view here in my eye. I'd see streaks that long. And one time you said you saw streaks orienting a certain direction. Do you remember that? Yes. The way you had it, bring it on up that way. And the end? Well, I think I had them from several directions and I reported them as moving from one direction to the other at that time. There were several others over there. How about now any predictor direction up and down left and right? I didn't notice any preferred orientation. And here again, I think I tried to express the length of the arc of the flash in terms of the peripheral field. I was talking about a horizontal peripheral field as being somewhere at the vicinity of 150 to 160 degrees. And in some cases, the light flashes would go across as much as 50 or 60 degrees of that. Where is the light flashes broken in the center? In some cases they were. In some cases I had the feeling it was two dots, one immediately following the other, giving the impression of right to the left and top to bottom, or right to right. The point is you see that the retina is so curved, but if you draw a straight line, you can't get too long, a long, you shouldn't be able to get too long a streak with that breaking out of the retina again. You know, in the final retina goes straight like that. But it has some depth, doesn't it? If it had been any longer than that, it would just be on the retina. You can't hear that. It's a little couple of portions. You can't hear you. It should not have been any longer than what I showed you. I just went through the retina in one track, but it went through a couple of eyes, and you had had an impression of a long streak. That's why we're interested in the character. I have one more about the cloud that you saw. This is a new phenomenon which we hadn't expected. Did you describe this lightning behind the cloud? I think it occurred, I reported it a couple of times, and it appeared as I recall to be down low on one eye or the other. It was just a diffuse lighting. Any color? White, silver. If you were out in the country and looking at the rise n which we hadn't expected. Did you describe this lightning behind the cloud? I think it occurred, I reported it a couple of times, and it appeared as I recall to be down low on one eye or the other. It was just a diffuse lighting. Any color? White, silver. If you were out in the country and looking at the rise and there was lightning behind the cloud, was it like that? Except generally, if you do that, you can see a streak behind the cloud. There was no streak, it was just a diffuse lighting. I'm going to look at that. A little gizmo, a little simulate. That sort of busting when you get out of the car. I don't know if I'm going to have a look at it. I don't want to have to attempt to try to get the cloud here. If you down slide for a minute. Good job. I am. He's still wet. Was there anything like that? I didn't see it. Pretty dim cloud right? I am not dark at that, but I still don't see it. I'm not seeing anything on a chair. Okay. What you're trying to describe is just what we used to call heat lightning. It's a chemical diffuse light. You can see it in the ceiling. No, not necessarily. It's just a blob of light. One final question. We didn't voice up to your question about whether you noticed any other sensations besides flashes, which was the reason grasping that was the difference. Did you feel a tingling or a clinging or twitching or hear anything? The reason bad is that if it is an interaction back in the brain, then there are other senses that are sensitive to your visual sense. Maybe you should feel something. You never noticed that. Did you notice anything? There are two things to think about. Are your lips twitching? In particular. In particular. No. Never look for it. These are suggested questions in the fact that you say no as significant. You can press on with different parts of the anatomy. You might get a yes. That's a great, two biggest cross-sections for you. You know if there's something significant about your thumbs or your lips, maybe you should warn people to look for that. Unless it's going to be so obvious that if you would... You see it in each other? n with different parts of the anatomy. You might get a yes. That's a great, two biggest cross-sections for you. You know if there's something significant about your thumbs or your lips, maybe you should warn people to look for that. Unless it's going to be so obvious that if you would... You see it in each other? Sometimes you might think you should be. It feels very comfortable. Okay. Thanks very much. I think I said in the read yesterday that you really did provide an enormously improved metadata on this for long and then we've had many previous blood tests. Well I would add this to that. I think that's the way you really have to go is to take a definite treat. Set it aside and do it. Because otherwise it's so random and... There's many other things going through in my... The only way I can get it quantitative. How are you? Did a remarkable job of concentrating on that length of time. You feel that that was being unreasonable. Did I actually do that? You've done the sleep. It was pretty boring thing to do sitting in a line watching. You think we should be in planning for doing this sort of thing on future missions. We shouldn't try and do it much more than we tried to get you to do it. Because there's just too much to assist their lines. They're trying to concentrate. It's not very good when they have... When they're ready to do anything else to do. I think it's a reasonable to suggest that. I don't think I would do it before a sleep bird or when they're tired or they'll go to sleep on you. I think long-end line failed by the time you've... You know, talk a little bit, breathe like we did. And then you know the phenomena is there. Because you're your first sleep period or the first time you get to spacecraft dark and close your eyes. You're going to see flashes. And so then that sort of sparks your curiosity a little more. And then when they say, let's settle down and count them while I think you're agreeable to it. Come on. You don't think? Okay. One other comment on that. And I'm not sure that it's related. But I really think that this is just a general impression. That if I would look at my... rks your curiosity a little more. And then when they say, let's settle down and count them while I think you're agreeable to it. Come on. You don't think? Okay. One other comment on that. And I'm not sure that it's related. But I really think that this is just a general impression. That if I would look at my... Look at say the glow of the wristwatch or something like that. And then close my eyes again. I almost always see a... See a flash. And I tried then to correlate looking at... Say a crack through the... Through the window shade or looking at my watch or something. And then closing my eyes. And I really came to the impression that the two may have been correlated. But I never really looked at it enough to say that for sure. But I think there was a correlation between seeing a light or something like this and closing your eyes. And pretty soon you pick up that flash. That's an important observation. If the action is directly in the bipolar or the redness cells, the other segment, you might expect it to behave the way I like people phosphines to. Rather than just from light, which takes dark connection. What do you think about that in? I'm not quite sure what your point is. I was going to make the comment that with respect to the flashes, putting the flashlight in my eyes did not seem to destroy my dark adaptation. Now, what that means I don't know. Did you do like that? Yep. That's slow. For that fast. Yep. For some time. Do you see any wipe dust on the nerves? I wipe it off. I'm not sure that's true, Chad. How long did you do it? You shouldn't wipe it off. A couple of minutes. A minute back and forth like this. About five seconds for a try. Something like that. Yeah. Hey, you know what I mean? I know where you're seeing, though, is it the reason you think you didn't knock it off our eyes because you can still see the flashes? Well, the cockpit looked different. Remember I was doing this? Eyes open. And it seemed like what I considered dark adaptation, that I was more dark adapted, that I dark adapted much sooner after doing that, that I did when we started the experiment. You don't think it's... because you can still see the flashes? Well, the cockpit looked different. Remember I was doing this? Eyes open. And it seemed like what I considered dark adaptation, that I was more dark adapted, that I dark adapted much sooner after doing that, that I did when we started the experiment. You don't think it's... Yeah, sure. That you would do. Because you wipe out the combs with that. Just with the flash of you to do with the tungsten light or the other. I'd like to make sure that on this dark adaptation, I know during the formal hour, 40 minutes, whatever it was, that Ed was shining the light. But I don't know whether you picked it up on the air to ground or not, but I had done that prior to that during one of the sleep periods. And there's just... You do not have to be dark adapted to see these getting... I think it's actually clearly dropping my insides. That's a very generic data point because it's almost certainly proofs that it's not another real light and you're in your eye and generating your eye attack minute directions. Yeah, but why did it take us so long when we started the experiment before we saw anything? It was quite a while. And yeah, but I wiped the light across my eyes within 30-40 seconds so they were working. I did it within 10 minutes. 17 minutes. And no response from it. Yeah, but when I did it with the flash light within 30-40 seconds, they were right there again. You said that they were... They seemed to find it on the head on previous... previous times that you lived them. And I felt like it was a special effect from some sort because you saw it twice as many during that period as the other two did. And I think maybe it's just... My guess was when you didn't see them, when they just had to see them regularly, it was just that they seem... They seem to find it in your expectations. And so I took you a while to sort of get your attention now to find the ones and what you're looking for. Well, maybe that may be the case except they did indeed the pair of fader in the beginning. And it wasn't a matter of looking for fader objects. They were brighter after a while. And they didn't diminish them bright. I took you a while to sort of get your attention now to find the ones and what you're looking for. Well, maybe that may be the case except they did indeed the pair of fader in the beginning. And it wasn't a matter of looking for fader objects. They were brighter after a while. And they didn't diminish them bright. And this one I didn't flash light across my eyes. They were still just as bright 30 seconds later as they had it before I used to flash light. And that's why I'm questioning the dark adaptation bit. Either I didn't wipe the dark adaptation out or there is something related to dark adaptation that influences the phenomenon. I don't understand. That makes sense. I think that's our down time period that we did it. And the few flashes we saw was very surprising to me. And we talked about this and we commented on it at the time. Boy, it seemed like you'd wake up during a sleep period. And... They're all over the place. Now, here again, maybe I'd lose track of time. You know, you're laying there in the dark cabin and maybe it was longer than what I thought. But it just seemed like the... There's abundance of flashes. And I was amazed when it took 17 minutes to see a flash. I thought, any time that you wanted to close your eyes, you were going to... You were going to see these things. That's why I suggested you really honest that it's a time period aside because it is... That you're random function for us unconcerned. And try to do it in an non-concerned databases as often done. Yeah. Plus, the fact that I think that each individual is going to report at different levels of activity too. I had to feel there was maybe some little faint things that I would sort of see that I didn't want to talk about because I couldn't define them as a flash. I had those too. I think all sorts of good idea to do this way because you're subjective. Impression is not necessarily right. You're talking to your... You're talking to your mom and you're not on your right. That was wrong. You need to get the data real quick. When you go to sleep at night, do you see any of these things? Most people do see something as they're going to sleep in a dark room. ctive. Impression is not necessarily right. You're talking to your... You're talking to your mom and you're not on your right. That was wrong. You need to get the data real quick. When you go to sleep at night, do you see any of these things? Most people do see something as they're going to sleep in a dark room. They can't sleep right away. Down here. I can't remember the... I don't know. Yeah, you've got lights blinking around. You're not on your eyes if you're getting a real dark room occasionally. But maybe because we've never really concentrated on looking for this particular type of phenomena. These phenomena that you saw were different from the ones that you see once in a while. Oh, definitely a lot more frequent than the question about that. How about in Brightness? About what? Brightness. It's a very different city. I guess I'll make a note to see if I can see any of those from here on. But I certainly haven't since we've been back. But here again, and Ed mentioned this, and I agree with him, but it's another subjective thing. The flashes you see when you wake up in the middle of the night as a whole appear to be brighter than the flashes as a whole during that experiment that we did during the day. And I'm like, Al, I was a little reluctant to call anything except a very positive flash during that time frame. I want to make sure that that was indeed a mark at the time that I called it. But those that you saw during the middle of the night appear to be brighter and I can say appear to be more of them. But here again, you know, you may lay there for an hour and you think it's five, five, ten minutes or something. I don't know. Maybe you lose track of the time. But it's a subjective thing. And so one blue flash did anyone else see color? No. No, I don't know about that. That wasn't blue. It was a silver, a blue white. It's like a blue diamond, you see. Like a blue diamond. Was that the brightest that you saw? I don't recall it. It was the brightest,