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ll ;;-'lrch 17)2 l. Hefercnf~!! i3 mad~ tu m:; d:Jted 6 Fnl•runry l9S2 re questinl~ permission to interv In conn9ctlon with the ·--- Artichoke problem. A·:·'··· 2. On ~~3 intervie·o~ed from 10:00 AH to A 11:50 ~1 by-and the writor ). ncy employe0 and holds a. res pt)!llti ~md tha writ~r dis- cussed rn.ndom subjects with ·..~~~ ~s t.nl~li:;hod that he was competent, hAd a ~~onerlll interer~ t in Artichoke typ<? work, and ....u_ Rppracinted th'! nec~S'3::try secrecy involvnd in thi5 ty!l(~ of di!lcu~sion. I . ., rr.~.Having ostal:'llsh~~~.i sc::~,~was interviewed along A· Artichoke line'. ~ after hllvinff ~en gi v~n n brin.f resume ·- ,., . o£, tho Artichoke Work, stated tlHlt1 Whereus h!! WSS interested in· tho problem, h~ wanted it cleArly undl"rstood thnt he falt r1orall:1" op:noscd to the Apnllc~ttnn of these terhnique~ ln~ofar ~~ he pcr~onally is LJ concern~d. II~ 3t:lted howovr~r t.hn.l. he zocl t.hn fnct thnt. ·.-~c " n.re nt war nnd tll'~ rl;! u~ing 1\rt.{<.:t<:;iw t~chnlqu~s .11nd ~vcn r11ore 3 obtni.nim; their e•,J9. i:•.1 stated thnt whil<? he could not carry out ~uch techniques na injcctin& .. drugs into an.indivldual, he, nev~rthcless, felt that he could quite ''I · l<!!v,itimately study the problAm fro~ a scientific point of view And from the point o£ view of one who is a.ttempting to understand how the .--~-~. ~- ~--; obtained the results thoy did in casas like the trial. · A theranftor, dlscus3cd at con~idora'tle l~ngth cer- that holds on the tl!Jycholo~i:icnl conditionine of \ncltvirlu- t'. individuals could h3 conditioned to nchlev., r.lOSt ~'~ny ro?ult provided tima enough war~ t:1ken :md the ln,JivlduAl:J 'AfJrt9 qtuJied in n clinical psycholo~icnl mnnn~r. li~ 9u;~·~~-.t.od t.hn.t, ·.o~her':'M p;;:rcholo~lst1 nnd p3ychiatrists work to~nrd tho re1iorin~ nnd hullding up of a p~r­ sonnlity, it 1~ obvious that ih(! rever9~ or ti1i1 Hoult.l be true -- thn.t n pcrsonnll t,y could h' ch!!nf,ed, tnt::Jn3~ monl1.l confu'lion could \>!:~ pro duced by tlollh'!rntely ntt:~ckim; an indi vidu:t l alonr. p!:!ycholo~lc:~l lin'Jg. AJIJ s. r;tn t~ct t,hat, 'Hh-:?roa1 hn · hnd 1tutlLed th<:.> . case, :!. t h::td ne~r occurred to him thttt h<J would ov~r consider u.c3ing ., ..t hese. techniques from an A~ency point of view, but ho felt thnt ns far ....... as he·was concerned, he would gladly nssiet by attempting to fi - ~::::-. ) : . out from a .......p oi~~· or.vi~w .hofl they conditioned men before th~~~. The image is a graphic illustration of a vault door, with text superimposed over it. The vault door on the left is complex and metallic, with circular mechanisms and a bright blue glow. The text, displayed in a stylized font at the top, reads "THE BLACK VAULT." Below this is a block of white text explaining that the document was obtained from The Black Vault, an online database of declassified government documents, specifically the MKULTRA/Mind Control Collection, and provides a URL for access. There is no photographic content, handwritten annotations, official stamps, forms, diagrams, tables, or visual evidence of experimental procedures. The visual element is purely symbolic, representing the concept of a secure archive of classified information. h<J would ov~r consider u.c3ing ., ..t hese. techniques from an A~ency point of view, but ho felt thnt ns far ....... as he·was concerned, he would gladly nssiet by attempting to fi - ~::::-. ) : . out from a .......p oi~~· or.vi~w .hofl they conditioned men before th~~~. ' · ..... '\ •. ~ J ' A (:. nnrJ the wri. t'!r t:1lk~tl n.t cnn~~lc!ornhlo length ;~bout ---- possi'\:'1'3 u3es 1yrmot.l'J"l in connoction :-~ th tbe ~.rtichok.n work nnd, ,.q.. in general, it ml\y t·e sR.ltl tha . f•Jlt that. thure rlfl.S a posi- tive. use for hypnotisfTl. He agreed thnt individuals under hypnotism wlll give infonnatlon, but. lle pointed out that it. could not nhwy5 be rer,nrded ns accurnt•.l, ~ir.c!l f:.1ntasy nnd ev:m hallucinations fire pre~ent in certain hypnotic strtttJ3. A 7. !Jt.~t.ed that he h.;d ol':~erv·:n.l !lO:-l'3 ;1ork done W~i th drugs and he, himself, had partlclpllt!?d in =tt.t!?m;.ltin~ to ~xLract J.nfor indtvldual!J hy drugg nml hyrmosi3. In this connec~ ·. the writer did not. attempt to ir:tmediat..aly putur(-. ~., for t-echnical inf studies, aince it was felt t.hat ad- r:;7;:~ ( ... ' -ditional. interviews with will l.:e held in the· immediate fut.ur<J. 8. throul~hout t.he tnt')rvlcw, W't9 entirel;r co-operati·.re, appears highly int.ellh:ent., nnd ol·vio·J~ly wns intensely intere'it..o:?d nl though ho insi9t.Ad t\v1t 1nor:1lll hg could n'Jt c:Jrry out nny of tho f·lua bird ideas alt.houv,h he recognized tho mc!?~sity for such activity. .-:; .. . .' It ·.--.- ; ,_.-,,_.,-.. A 9. The writer very carefullJ pointed out to .•t\:J ... .i.•-':··.1 •. ' reason for this interview was not to ohtatn inforf!lntlon - but rather to present a series of problems to him and l~t. thi thetrl and consider them in hict mtnd. _..-..as also sp•1cifically asknd to consldP.r any i)roject.s thnt l~i-e thoucht might l:o vnlu:.J1'lo or in- dlvlduAl5 who could be contnct.ed anJ tiho would have infonnation of inter est to us. or 10. stated that the prohlen wn~ con:Jldara.t'le interest ~· .· and tha he regretted that he was un11ble t.o put. full soo immediate at-.· ("t.i.'...; · -·--A · ·.. tontlon to it, hut proMised that hi! ~o mnttors discussed ~ - ~i·y~ .. . -~ .. ·-very eerious thought and would cnll__...·or the writ*"r when ho ~~~~}< ,'·_- ·. had culled the various matters di:Jcusr,etl over in his 111l.nd and applied : :J;~·:f!•:: -'·. :_ what knowledge ho The document is a typewritten report, likely an interview transcript, with significant portions redacted. Handwritten annotations in red ink, consisting of "A"s and letters like "A/B; III, 6, 8", are present in the top right and left margins, along with a date of "11 March 1952". There are also handwritten notations "Via" and "H, D, A,D" in the margins. Black redactions obscure names, specific details in the text, and some areas at the bottom of the page. The document itself appears to be a multi-page report, indicated by the numbering and the layout. There is no visual evidence of experimental procedures, equipment, facilities, or photographs of people or locations. ·.. tontlon to it, hut proMised that hi! ~o mnttors discussed ~ - ~i·y~ .. . -~ .. ·-very eerious thought and would cnll__...·or the writ*"r when ho ~~~~}< ,'·_- ·. had culled the various matters di:Jcusr,etl over in his 111l.nd and applied : :J;~·:f!•:: -'·. :_ what knowledge ho had in those connections. ' . . . l' _ \ , . j .. ' , ' .. t . • . - - ': A- ... : '~ :·~ \' .· ' ,~ .~w>;_ ~ I A 11. -<1nd t.hc writ!3r fcnl tim ~rts will ·, .. r.e profl table and ~'otlt nre of t.h(~ i.rnpre~alon understands ~~ .,.~ ·\·~J •. ~ J J I ' ~ I, · .. . . , : . the noad for !lee racy in thi:J typo of ;-rork. ;.1 _t:\-\• _. ';,.~!{..'' (1f record, .tt CJhould l-:-e noted that in order to nsk .:!{1; ::. c ovr.r to thi3 offlcr>, •••••- rn:ph.lned t.h<lt the --~..!-: ')[1'~ . :~ .' · f ~ ; . T ·. \ . , ieti w.15 in con d.r>!l with th~ fact thnt{~ ! l:t;.~ nd hls work 1:l t. "1~~· ' ! ·, ·;_.,, \ .. ~:l:;'. ;, ';;;,· .;i ~ , ·~"~ , r·~~ ' '· ~' '. ·'. l . . ~ . '. 1 r- 1 > :,_ ·l . w .. .. .. - • •• •, ~·! · ._,. ,... .. , ' :--r ~-. "I ' 't •• -2- The page is a scanned document with heavy redactions, primarily in black ink, obscuring significant portions of the text. Several handwritten annotations in a different ink, mostly "A" with some variations like "AIA," "DH," are present in the margins, likely indicating approval or classification. The document appears to be a typewritten report with numbered paragraphs and sub-points, discussing interviews related to hypnotism and its uses. The presence of the "MKUltraCollection" watermark suggests it's part of a larger collection related to experiments. No photographs, diagrams, forms, or official stamps are visible.