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This image displays a declassified document's header and introductory text. On the left, a stylized graphic of a bank vault door with intricate mechanisms and a blue glow suggests security and access to hidden information. The text clearly states that the document originates from "The Black Vault," an online database of declassified government documents, specifically from the MKULTRA/Mind Control Collection. This collection, housing over 20,000 declassified CIA pages, is available for free download at a provided URL. The visual elements, such as the vault and the prominent title, reinforce the theme of revealing secret or restricted information. Office lvie17zora1zdtt1n··-• oNITl!'ti''~ATEs GovERNMENT i TO Chief, Security Research Staff, wS DATE: 14 Janu:n-:r 1953, FllO~ Chlef, Technical Branch, SRS, I&S r ~--:. SUBJECT: Report of Trip to !!in.11aapolis, !li.nn~sotn _. and Detroit, Hichigan, for AIU'ICIIO!~ Purpos~s -- 16 thrrugh 19 Decemoor 19)2. 1. Between 16 December 1952 ~nd 1~ December 1952, the '~iter visit?.d !iin."lenpolis, llinne3ot-'l, and Detroit, !·iichi;;:m, in cormect.ion uith possible future ~•ark in regard to··thc ARTICHOI::E Project. 2. In more specific detail, the reasons :or the trip were as fol loliS: I. In liinne:lpolis. A. To talk with ~ • ·-· - B in ~egard to narco a.,nlysis, use of "truth serums", and related matters. c D. To ascertain ··pr2sent and fut1rre c.. interests. in ARTICHOi\Z-t;-;pe :tori< :1.nd to ascertain if -----· :o~ould be interested in bcins a . c... paid cowrt consultant to this Ag~!lCY, nnd to ~;.::1:une the phj•sico.l sctun and " explore various !>OSsibilit:i.cs in this connection. /J c. and/or indi vidu.:lls attached to _ could carry out cxpcriment:J.l •,ror~: <1lon~ lines of int~rc:;t to AJl'l'ICilOiill and to rleter:'tinc if th~se individuals have any int~rcsts or arc enr;ag~u in any 1.-1ork narallel to ours. (!.., D. To a:3c~rtain froP\ and ot.h~r indi- vid'.lnl$ encountered nw1c::; "~ inrii viJ.'.l<l.l3 of po::;sible intcre:;t to the progrry.n. .rurrrc:Joi·~ - -·· \· · • - - ! . • . , ~--· •! '- .. · . _ .,. . . . . - ... - • - ~ -· -- · . ~ ::- I _ ..... ,._ .. ..-. ~ ... -:··- ..... · - - -. . t • -·-- ~ .·.· -. ...-.··. ~ ---------------. II •. · .\t Detroit. -. A. To rcmeu discil:>sions with ----------------- J , and ascertain if he still maintained interest in the ARTICHOKE problems. C-. 13. To exa"'line physlcnl plant and determine if it is sui"table for an e:qu~rilnental program :for .1\RTICHOKE. . ' ~c. To obtain fron such ideas a:; he ma;• lmYe developed fro::1 previous discu:;;;J..ons along A1TI~HOKZ line:1 concarnine cov"r, oper:~.t:i.ons, detail:;, na.-:t~s, etc. in connection Hi th a .. possible futur:;, program of e::perimen+.. a tion ·and resr~arch . - -...... * - 3. an 16 and 17 Decem';>er 1?52, the urit~r cn;;aged in a series of discus:;ions uit:l conc-::rnin~ the above mentioned topics. state:n-:nts or ans-,.ers to rertlnent questions are sc t r')Ut l.':'cloH in substance. This method is-used to clarify and This document is a scanned image of a typed memorandum titled "Office Memorandum." At the top right, there is handwritten text "AIBT 53-2". The memorandum is a Standard Form No. 64. It details a trip to Minneapolis, Minnesota, and Detroit, Michigan, for ARTICHOKE purposes. The body of the document contains several bulleted and lettered points, with some handwritten checkmarks or notations next to certain points. There are no photographs, diagrams, tables, stamps, or redactions visible on the page. e::perimen+.. a tion ·and resr~arch . - -...... * - 3. an 16 and 17 Decem';>er 1?52, the urit~r cn;;aged in a series of discus:;ions uit:l conc-::rnin~ the above mentioned topics. state:n-:nts or ans-,.ers to rertlnent questions are sc t r')Ut l.':'cloH in substance. This method is-used to clarify and shorten explam.tiom:;. Q: :·lh:~.t is you:r present empl6ymen t. '? A: -.· C, Q: Are you fully cmploycc.l now a:; an c A: Ye:;. keep me •3mployeLi rcgnl2.rly and nlnost ··" -2- .. .. . ·. - ~ .. - . - . ... --. .· . _ .... ...... · . . •··_· .. ·· ..... -._ .. _ ~-- .. -.- -----------------------------~------------------~---· .. continuously ~t ::tll hi'J•H::: of the d.'ly and ni~ht. 1:n.1ntcvcr nddition:ll 1-1or~~ I do t-1011ld hn•m to be done in nrr'J free ti'ne I could find, but ;;here I have an interest I aJTI Hilling to sncrifice part of my free tirne in th.'lt connection. Q: Have you dono nny uork since you left the Army on narco-annlysis or "truth soru:ns"'? ~ A: 1cs. I ha7c en:;ased in so:1c re:;earcit and and I have worked onn act11nl case. This case ~·m i·" regarded as unsuccessful and vert rare sincP. the subject was totally neGativistic. Q: Do yotl intend to do any \iork on narco-:-anCllysis in· .. the ncar future? ,; A: Yes. I h.:1ve ;~.n intense intorcst in this 1·Tork :md. I ., c.. \Jish to d.o :1.d vanced Uni•mrsi ty research along these - lin~.... I intend to :llso o.ssociat!:! with in all of his efforts in this tvork. I an '3ndeavoring Q_ to ha·rc · pcrr.U t me to :mel: advanced post-;::raduate dcr,rees based on m:r research in narco anal~-s.i.:;. Ho:1~vcr, to dnte, vrc h.:1ve r~ot reached an nt:;reem~nt on this. Hy sup~riors •. · ------------ l~ uish ::te to do ad·.ro.nced work along spcclalizcd. ----- '·lines. Q: Are any of ::our i.nunedi.'lte associates enr;:1gine in this type of ':lor!c non'? ~A: Hone o.re workin:; on this tYT>e of thin~ and, in fact, ;,om~ or thcrr doubt the real vniue of it, but I nm ccrt.iin thnt th~s is merely due to a lack of \ll'tdcrstanding on their pnrt. It is r.ty hope that ai'ter any agreement i:3 reached by your AGency nnd myself (if that come:3 3bout) that you cnn h.'lve cleared certain ncn ~-lith \-Thorn I associate so that you can This page is a typed document with a handwritten annotation. The document appears to be a form or questionnaire related to discussions about an "ARTICHOKE" program. There are several sections labeled with letters (A, B, C, etc.) and questions, some with handwritten responses. For instance, a question asks "What is your present employment?" with a blank line for an answer and another asks "Are you fully employed now as an" with a handwritten "A: Yes." There is also a handwritten encircled "C" next to a numbered item. The document contains no photographs, official stamps, diagrams, or experimental procedure descriptions. The content is entirely text-based, with minimal handwritten additions. I nm ccrt.iin thnt th~s is merely due to a lack of \ll'tdcrstanding on their pnrt. It is r.ty hope that ai'ter any agreement i:3 reached by your AGency nnd myself (if that come:3 3bout) that you cnn h.'lve cleared certain ncn ~-lith \-Thorn I associate so that you can talk with thP.m nnd point out the -.rulue n:1d potential of thi:. work, pnrticulnrly fro111 a n~tion.:tl po Lnt of vi:m. Unfort~m;~.·::.cl:;r, a:; you renlize, I cannot tell th01r.t of yonr int.crc.1t:; nml thr;y b~li~vc thnt the only intcre:;ts of conc•.)rn to me arc "police I • ty-~c" interests • - -3- ~----~-- ./ ~ ... _ .\ -----------------····-·---·---------·------- .. ... Is thP-re an:,• adw.nccd H·:)~k alone t!v:!ss line::j bein~ done nat• at the -- or any -wrork that cones close or p::l.I'allel~ the I A.Tt.TICIIOKE type of work? '111ere is no specialized ~.zor!: be ine done ·· at the prc:::;ent time c;ccept thnt en(;:l(;ed in by - (see details later), but I honestly beliove thC!.t if carefully appronched the uould be very interest<:!d in carrylnr; ·out such a project. (Subsequent di:;cusslon with fleeted th:tt also felt thnt wru.l.d full:; :;upport any effort along '· ~ these lines.) .·· Q: Do you knoli of ~Y tiork bgin~ d.on~_ plcm_c these lir:cs 13 .1.t the ·4 . a ---------------- - ,; Yes • A= .. D ,. - . \ . Doth of these men, to my k:1o;dedec, :rrc interested in A.Il.TICIIOKE-t:,"!Jc prohle:ns and I be lieve th~y Hill be good men to t.1.l\' vrith in the future. There is prob::!.1Jly other tiork of interest being done at in the psychiatric field but I am not too fa.Pliliar •ri th ti1c t•ork over there • Q: ':n1at are your pre::;cnt con:-~ection.:; :·rith the Hinneapolis or State of itinnesota Police? c A: r,. Do you cont~r.1platc any scric::; of tc;,ts or cn:;e work ~· alone J\.t1TICl!Ol':E lines in the il'TI!lcdi-'ltc future'? A: '.Jc h'l'IC no ::;eric::; of c:J.scs plo.nncd, hut at the pre;Jent we t·rill worl~ on any case::; that. c or.1c u:_:> to r -u- .. -----------------11 Ha.Jever, if a project, could be set up, I ar:1 cert:rin ~ that · could produce a r,reat many cn3cs. In C addition, ha~ absolute access to '!' .--. I which is the ·- and he could ha•.re {3 _al._l_:_~f .. ~~l! volunteer assistance needed- ----- Q: If, in the fUture, you have a This scanned document page contains typed text arranged in a question-and-answer format. There are several hand-drawn marks, including check-like symbols next to specific text sections and a number "-3-" at the bottom center. The overall appearance is that of a transcribed interview or questionnaire with handwritten notations for emphasis or correction. There are no visible photographs, stamps, forms, diagrams, tables, or redactions on this page. The document's layout suggests an official report or record. could be set up, I ar:1 cert:rin ~ that · could produce a r,reat many cn3cs. In C addition, ha~ absolute access to '!' .--. I which is the ·- and he could ha•.re {3 _al._l_:_~f .. ~~l! volunteer assistance needed- ----- Q: If, in the fUture, you have a series of ca3cs or te:;ts contcmplntP-d, could we send an observation team to 11atch you liar\(! . ' A: Yes. I feel that we C•"lUld hanrl.le any number of ob or servers within rca:; on. c our::;~, if a p:-oject 1-1ere set up 11':~ urmld arran;:.;e it so that yoa C'Jtlld maintain observers h<.?rc at any time or •m could handle trainees here for you a::; part of the agreement. ., __ Hat• n~:r ncn could be_ handled if the test:; w~~: b~~nG . run solely by you and and the - ' ·' -· ·. .... A: I <l.'n certain-1-le could handle at lea3t three i.Jithout trouble. ':2: Can 1-m borrou your tape recordin;_::; on previous cases? A: Yes. I h::tve narie nrranGements for these. This does c not invob·e any c:qJen::>e t·J you. (The :-1r:i tcr brou~ht back i-li th him a bo:: of t::tpc recordin~s n::t~le by--- <- and nnd·o-l;.~er::; in connection uith n:u-co- annly<iis in cri' 1inal i-lOr~:. At prc:;ent thc::>e records are being sturlied b;r AilTICIIOi~~.) ...... -~ Q: Do you kno<r anyone els(~ personnll:r or othcrN"ise 't.;ho i::; contcmplati!'lG a proGrun of narco-analys.~s using criminals or hnndling crbnin~ cases? A: !Ia. Q: At the present time, 1-lh:J.t do ~;ou rc~:1rd a::; the be::;t chc::tic:J.ls or combinations in this i·rork? A: I a.r:1_very dis:J.ppointed that during ;ny a0::;~ncc in the Army ~•as fore-3d to let the uorl~ die dmm. I am al:::;o disappointed that no new chemicnls or ... - . ·- . ... ~. . --... : -·· =- -·-·.· -~ ....... -. -· .... ·JIW"' ......... _. .. --------- .. comhin;1tions have been cl:L:.covered, '!)ut I bclie'n that . ,, m:my chemical:; should. be tried includinc four or five of tho net·t barbiturate::; tho.t .hn.vc not as y~t been tested. At th13 present, our best cues:; is pentothal and, if necessarJ, something like picroto:cin could be used as a stimulant. Q: Are you faJltili:.:u- with Deso;cyn? A: Yes, but I have not worked with it in this connection. ·. Q: Has arrJone in your area made tests along A.ttTICIIOKE lines with lysergic acid This page is a transcript of an interview, evidenced by the question-and-answer format labeled "Q:" and "A:". There are no photographs, stamps, or formal forms visible. Handwritten annotations appear in the margins, consisting of single letters (B, C) that may represent interviewee initials or categorization marks. Some text is underlined, and there are several redactions or obscured areas, particularly on the right side of the page and around the line "at the present". The content discusses "ARTICHOKE type of work" and potential connections with the Minneapolis or State of Minnesota Police. The bottom of the page shows a handwritten "-4-". our best cues:; is pentothal and, if necessarJ, something like picroto:cin could be used as a stimulant. Q: Are you faJltili:.:u- with Deso;cyn? A: Yes, but I have not worked with it in this connection. ·. Q: Has arrJone in your area made tests along A.ttTICIIOKE lines with lysergic acid or rel-1-ted cor.1pounds? A: I do not kno1-1, but I do knotJ of the :-rork of ··-· -·· ·- and of -- · · reqcnt trip Q.. to Euro!1e. (Tho writer felt it ino.dvisable to ex- .. -~ plore further into lmoaladge of ) ..... - ·.. .... - Q: At tho present- time, ha· ro you :my ideas ab()u t chemi cals or conpounds th-1-t you think rnight be interestinG to trJ? · A: Ilene, specificn.lly, but I lmou t.l~re arc rn~.ny that should be trie:l. i!otl3'!cr, all this reel tires l1o-:.·k on many test case3 w1dcr controlled conditions before resulto can be definitely established. Q: Can you sur;r,e:;t arry research that miGht be profit able along our lines? .. · ·· A: Yes. This re;,eo.rch in my op~"U.on stronr:;ly needs the use of an E;,;x} machine· operated by men uho thorou3hly unders t. .1 nd it. I b~lieve thi:> sho•.1ld be checked out uith speciali:>ts sine::! it is, in rrry opinion, the only <·ta:,r to accurately determinn at uhat level ;-;e can ex pect incli viduals to talk under drUG:3. IL Ho•tld be essential to nny cxpcriment::;.l nmi research progr~ thn t >Jc undcrtool: here and Hould be an i tern of h i.Gh priority for purchase in connection with ARTIC1IOK3 :.rork. l . ~ -6- ~- .. ~o you knew A: Yes. lie is a very excellent .man ~nd I feel that he 0 would be interested in any -- -- - c; project along A.>rriCl!Ol\E line:; and would co-operate. I! is support in t;li_:;__;roul:~_'tl_e_ ver-J important. C, Q: ~-Ihat is doing at the present. time? •, If he is doinc any research al-an~ 'I ARTIC!IOKE lines, I do not kl'lOW abont it. ·I I 2: llave you or an:r of your a:;:;oci~tcs donn any work on ,.-. conbin:1tion:; of chemicals and hypnosis or with electro ' shoe!~ in this matter'? -· ..... - ~ A: IJot to my knmiledge. Q: I a:;ked you H!v~n I intc!"Vicued :rou ;:<:::-cvi01l3ly and I repe.:1t th"l que::;t:Lon--in your pe:::-~.onal opinion, do yo~1 thin!: the resalts o'bt:lin~d to d~ Lc by ,.-. conbin:1tion:; of chemicals and hypnosis or with electro ' shoe!~ in this matter'? -· ..... - ~ A: IJot to my knmiledge. Q: I a:;ked you H!v~n I intc!"Vicued :rou ;:<:::-cvi01l3ly and I repe.:1t th"l que::;t:Lon--in your pe:::-~.onal opinion, do yo~1 thin!: the resalts o'bt:lin~d to d~ Lc by your::;elf and other.:> indicate5 that these techniques are worthuhile from. a medical point of vieu, from a narco-a."lo.lysis point of vicu, and an intilli~encc point of vic~-r? A: Yes. -.· r~: If you had 'll."llL':li. ted time and mnacy ·.r-:1::; no problcr1, .... do you ha-,e :-1ny idea:; alo"l~ these lines th.:1t you would like to explore? A: YcG. I h.:1ve n'"ntioncd some of my vici:l.:> in an:;~-wrs to previous questions. Q: In adrli tion to yonr curr<Jnt work, are you capable of h'lndling e':per:i.men l:.::ttion ::mu re::;c.:rrch? .... : A: Ye:;. Althongh I am nm; fully employed, I belie'ro I could carry out experimentation and research particularly ' · . . ,_ -- . ··.!-. ...... ..,..~ ......... _ . , .,.. ~: - · · · ·· ... ·-' ... ~ .. ...... . _.,._. .. . ~ . ,. . . : . . • . . ... . • . . .. ". ~"! ... • .. - ------------------------------------------ .. :i,f I co,Jld explain the nature of the WJrk to cer- tain individuals. I feel that if your ____ _ c. int.er~s:ts '1-rere made kn01m to 13 ~· I could then devote "official.ly" a considerable al'l\Ount of time t.o such research. If, hot-re!.er, I was a consUltant of yoar3 on a covert basis, I woQld ha•ro to do a considerable 'Q."l\Ount of ,.1ork on my own time on re c. search plus giving as much time as possible to --·· in the future. G. (The folloiling personal questions >-rere put to by the writer:) · - . -. Q: i·lould you be interested in consultant work for us? A: Yes ·r-•.• Either of t\-ro types. If necessar/, I would - . ' ~·-: -..ror!~ in covert for you but I would prefer to have this association la1oHn to -and and n fe1-1 other3 since this would greatly facilitate the work. Q: ~lould you be uillinc; to trawl temporarily to en gage in actual work? !r--•".- A: Yes, but if I was a cowrt consultant I would not be c able to _!-ra~rol e?C:cept rarely and t_hen This document consists of typed text, primarily in question-and-answer format. There are no photographs, diagrams, stamps, or tables present. The text contains handwritten annotations in the left margin, consisting of various symbols like "C" and "B" and underlined portions of the text, suggesting notes or emphasis by a reader. There are also two instances of redactions where text has been blacked out, one in the third paragraph from the bottom and another in the last paragraph. The document is a typed transcript of questions and answers, with handwritten annotations in the margins. The questions and answers are formatted clearly in Q&A style. There are no photographs, official stamps, diagrams, tables, or structured data. Subtle handwritten annotations, mostly short strokes and a few words, appear in the margins next to some text, possibly indicating emphasis or commentary. Redactions are not immediately apparent. The overall impression is that of a formal interview or research record. la1oHn to -and and n fe1-1 other3 since this would greatly facilitate the work. Q: ~lould you be uillinc; to trawl temporarily to en gage in actual work? !r--•".- A: Yes, but if I was a cowrt consultant I would not be c able to _!-ra~rol e?C:cept rarely and t_hen in a limited_ _!!1C1nner ··, I an on call at any t:i.r.le. llmf~'rer, if my activities were kn~m to the men I mentioned, I -could be "loa.n~d'1 for sach operational work as neces sary. I cannot tell :rou for ho-.r long I can travel for operational purposes nor whether I could leave the United States and do work for you. T'nis would, of course, depend on~ status as mentioned above. --------· I· C- ilo. A: I azn 1-rorking uay and. night. •·. :._ .. ..-.- _ 'C' ".'·. · - , · • - • · - ••,.• '• ·...~. _. - . - .. . . Q: i[ould you be int~rcst.cd in doin::; bn::;ic re::;earch ·or experimentation as a consultant in y9ur a-.m B m_crr_g_ff~~ I k: Yc::;, definitely. I have stated rrr;r vie;o~s on this rna t.ter before. Q: If you uere employed 't::t us !!.::; a covert. con::;ultant, could you keep your activities nnd a~ interests covered·? •• i ·. • A: Yes. Q: Can you contirntc experimentation on ch~~cnls :llonr; lines of interest to u::; and not ha:-e undue susl'~cion aroused by your associates A: Yes;- 'but it uo!lld be highly adv.:mtageous to have - my ~sociates officially lol01i of my work. Q: If yo·.l Here in n co·rort con::;ult.::~.nt cn.?nCJ:t·~' ~ could you mange to C<gTJ_~-~-expcriJn~1ta~ion throu~h ~-- A: Yes. I c~ do this if I am a co·rcrt. con:::1"lb.nt. ~nd I >·1ould r,lacll:,• nnccri.ake usina ne\·1 ch-Jr.ti.c~ls or nc!r1 • techniques on thc::e c.::.scs but cs I mentioned t:eforc if a :·rcll-or[;;:mized proj~ct <Jere ~c~.-~P _includinG - the uork couldle carried out far better. G-Q= llovr far can that you are associated 'Hith be trusted? c.- A: can be trusted 100 per cc:nt. t!o other need be in on tlll.s. Arc :;ou definitely cf the op~nlon thnt o :3ccur::.ty ! • clearance should be obtained ~or ~d other - . • ...,.._........ __ .·:: ·.. A..,. . ------- .. - . - - -. .. - .. ~ . _..· _ - .., .-. .. - , .. - . • . .. - the op~nlon thnt o :3ccur::.ty ! • clearance should be obtained ~or ~d other - . • ...,.._........ __ .·:: ·.. A..,. . ------- .. - . - - -. .. - .. ~ . _..· _ - .., .-. .. - , .. - . • . .. - .....· . - -· -· - •,,.,.~· - ._..·.-.--~·. ro' -:-· ·-- .· ~en you h<J.vc mentioned previou:.ly? .· A: D~fini tely, yes. I will furnish dct.,ll~ la.ter. ... .. I-~ Q: ~incc you ~re N:nrn of the n~.turc of our Hork ::tnd 1 you !'ully rc<llize how secretly it mu::;t l·e handled, c;;m you sur;~c!;t ~ny ~pccialist::; or 011t.r.t.antling m~n you mi;:;h t v.'i:;h to l'ec:onw:txi +.o n::; anl ncn yo:1 uould like to cont<J.ct if you ucrc_a ccn::;ultant to us? A: Yes. TI1erc a1~~ ~ rru.mbcr of men I ·Hould lik~ to tnlk .-.... to and I will furnisll backgrounds on theR later. It uould be very import£~nt for in;,tance if I could t<J.lk ;---- ~1) officioll;· to nen lii:c -· ~: Since: I <ll"'• not a personnel offic':!r, I cnnr:ot c!i::; cuss s:1l::ry ui th you, but n t wrha t lcYcl l:ould :rou ' .. I . uork in 13 con:mltan t capnci. ty? A: I~o~c;y'.is no·objcctivc. I would •,;ork at any rc:Json ablc basis. Q: Do you need rcconl:in·~ c:q1.lipl11(3nt out here? ::ould it be of value in onr research'? ~- A: Pos~ibly in the .future I could u::c rccordinr; equip IL· ment, but:. not no:·r. I uould :1pprccintc it if :,•ou ivould let US h.1.VC :";(l;l;C recordinG 1.:Jpc ulli•-: ]1 \-TC C~n u::e in connection •ri th Hark. ( T::tpc \Till i I. be sent from thi:::; Office Hhcn ncu :;uppJ.ic; etrrivc.) I ,.,, -:~ h. Since ··ms eng:1r;inG in opcr:"ttive pr:J.cticr: durinG (._ p:1rt of !·.he time the Hritcr w:1s in Ill.nnc?polis, t.hc •rri tcr a.rrancetl c. thrcur,h to have ;:~.n informnl tnll: t·li th ~lon~ Jines of inlc-rc:;t l.o thr. !lflTICl!OKE Project. J\lth::<llf,h i:::; not n .. clE::trcd cont.::'ct, Cr llc-nc:~, t.ll'' I.'. vrr l Lcr f cl t. Lha L he couJ.tl dlsc,l:>.> in very ccnr~r.1.l tC'li't:; 1• crt.incnt. ~~;:, Lt cr::;. . .. -10- . ~·-- ...· ... : . "' . .. .... ·~ . . .. -. - .. .. .. ~. .~ .(. ·.r-· --------------------······------------------------- - The '.:rifc-r docs not b1o1rr for c~rtvin uhethcr or not kno:-;:; The document is a typed, question-and-answer format, likely from an interview or questionnaire. There are no photographs, diagrams, or official stamps visible. Several questions are introduced with "Q:", and corresponding answers are marked "A:". There are handwritten annotations such as small loops and underscores on some of the lines, as well as a "7" written below the eighth question. The document is page 7 of a larger series, as indicated by the number. couJ.tl dlsc,l:>.> in very ccnr~r.1.l tC'li't:; 1• crt.incnt. ~~;:, Lt cr::;. . .. -10- . ~·-- ...· ... : . "' . .. .... ·~ . . .. -. - .. .. .. ~. .~ .(. ·.r-· --------------------······------------------------- - The '.:rifc-r docs not b1o1rr for c~rtvin uhethcr or not kno:-;:; that the writer is attached to this 1icency, l'ut is of the opinion that •· .... kne•r this at the tine of this Uiscussion. 'I I I 6. a, f:. l - I • G 7. In eenercl, the discussion :>hawed th:-.t is extremely in- ' teres ted in the develorm,:nt of new t.cchni,luc~ nnd nc<T chemic.:tl:::; for u::;e in -:his type of uorlr and is not apnnr::mtly in;.crestcd _:i,n recei·rinc cdditj.onal nom~y for:_Jlir~s_elf. ------ I I ! ·.· 3. Usiar; very general terms :md di;:;cu::;::;inr. :r.::1t L.ers in a ::;upposi tional Hny, the Hritcr di:;c'l:::lscd projects ;md propo::;nl:; ,,::_ th nc.;ur~d thr> HriLer t.h:1t he \Wuld Hclcomc any pro.icct for dc·:elcpr:cnt or re search a1ong the narco-analysi::;-"truth serum" line:;. !Ic stated he ;Tas - _,,_ ------ .... ·- . ,,..,.-,. ~ -~: - ... ~ y .. ·_- ---- - -----:: ~bsolutely ce.rt:rin th~t a project of this n~turc HO'lld hnvc the .:!'ull ?... :mpport · ::md because of his t-rorl: and long , t . ; ., ) assodation at he stated th~t he could definitely r;et r all the inte~ested_ to completely co-operate. C 9. In the tr.~ttcr of lvho.t he -.ronld need for :::uch a project. stated that he had plcnt:r of space but that· he ~•ould need an opei·ation:: roon, reception room, and a room th~t uould be furni.::hed ::;orn~~That in th~ r.;armcr of a livingroom. He stated he could not operate 1o~ithout o.ir con- b ditionin~ equipment durin~ the su.nu:1cr mQilths. He s to. ted ·that in his opinion that if a project t·ras uorl~cd out Hottld do most of the above uork... He stated that he ;roul.-l need certain additional :.··. ;:.ssistant::; such ~ n clerk:..stenogrnphcr to r:mintn.in the records and handle -- 1·eports and so!:lc sort of a statistical ;;ssi:>tant to ke·.-p the clinical re cords and an 3I'r~'11jemcnt made .:!'or <t pnrt-timc nurs:? uhich 'iYo••lrl be · essential, in his opinion, in connection trit.h the operation:J room. He stn.tcd he uould prok1bly nc'"!d certain r!eclico.l equipment nnd su;-plics :J.nd C so~e technical equipment, rcco:-d.Lnr.; de·vices, tapes, ~tc. stnt~d th.'lt he and This page is an excerpt from a typed document with handwritten annotations and markings. At the top left, there are handwritten annotations labeled "C" and "B", with "B" underlined. Further down, there are more handwritten "C" markings next to typed questions and answers. One "C" marking is a curve encircling a typed question, and another "C" marking is a curve next to a typed answer. There is a handwritten "-3-" near the bottom of the page. The content of the document appears to be a questionnaire or interview about potential "consultant work," with questions about interests, time commitment, and travel willingness. There are no photographs, official stamps, forms, diagrams, or redations visible on this page. The document is a typed page containing questions and answers, seemingly from a survey or interview. There are no photographs, diagrams, or tables. Handwritten annotations appear on the left margin next to some questions (labeled B, B, C, CB, C), and there is a line drawing of a curve in the bottom half of the page with a dash and the number "-S-" written on it. Several question and answer pairs are present, discussing covert experimentation, maintaining secrecy, and trust. There is no visible evidence of experimental procedures, equipment, or facilities. The document does not have any visible official stamps or redactions. the clinical re cords and an 3I'r~'11jemcnt made .:!'or <t pnrt-timc nurs:? uhich 'iYo••lrl be · essential, in his opinion, in connection trit.h the operation:J room. He stn.tcd he uould prok1bly nc'"!d certain r!eclico.l equipment nnd su;-plics :J.nd C so~e technical equipment, rcco:-d.Lnr.; de·vices, tapes, ~tc. stnt~d th.'lt he and ht>.d m::m:r times talked OY~r hou the~· co•Jl(l improve - ~ their ;·rorl~ and conduct fui:ure research and he and . both felt that I I • . from a medical point of viem M EEG machine uh.i.ch he thou;,ht \lould cost -. about ::~3,000.00·-;.rould be n crcat helj!. He o.l:::o stnted that he felt th:1t - 8 if an E~ri r.1achine could be hrou;;ht into the I'rcjec L, it :.-rould lnsurc con tin'l':>t\S assistance froM •rhich :-rould be very useful in the rcs-:-::u-ch liork. c 10. stated in his opin:on tilp.t his ::::;~r·rices n:::: ;rell ns the services of ~nd :my others uho t-rould asc;ist in t.he uork 1.-1ou.ld be paid for hy lie stated, honc-.rer, ~ that si.'lce th~se proj·~c t.s vr011ld urcbabl;r invoh·o extra time, particulo.rl:r ,.... ... uorl: condactcd :lt ni;:;ht or ov~r •reckends, this 1-101.:.ld hnve to be ;.rorkcd out c sorne -.ro.y in conncctio:1 tdth any project that t-ro.s laid on. · -'llso stated thnt in connection 1..-ith n project of this t:'t11e, if one 1-1erc set ~p, they co·J.ld, uit.ho11t diffic•.ll ty, handle tro.ineco:. stated tlvtl:. :::inco tr:1inces 1.zould be uor!dnG act11al ca;.c3, he could ci'lre Men ::;ent to hil~ :ldvnnced polyaraph tr::li.nin~, invr.sti~~thrc case uork, ~lirect interrocn.tion <Uld narco-analytic :i.ntcrroc:ttion tro.inin::;. lie stated thn.t trainees •rould be no problem and that 1·.hey 1-rould, of coursP., be handled tdthout any addi tion:ll cost. JJOTE: Dnring the o.bovc convcr3ation, stated he is f::un:Llin.r uith the ,n t.hc :::ide-tone delny ::;ystcm _ · !Ie :;tatcd for t.hc rer.ord thn.t the proj-~r.t · th~rc •·ms .'l stc.-tl from his c~rli.er ideas and he felt it uas a uaste of tine .:md money. ;tl:;o ..... ·~ .... - . ., .........., -. .... _.. -- A ' ···..-: '1,. stated he is intensely interc::;t~ in th(! devclon . ment Of neu and electrO!liC typo polyr;ra.phs and • claims he has a man I who is capable of buildinc this t-JPe of device. ::;tatcd that he felt the presently used polygr3ph could be made vastl7 more sensitive and do a far better job if totally electronic. stated in . ment Of neu and electrO!liC typo polyr;ra.phs and • claims he has a man I who is capable of buildinc this t-JPe of device. ::;tatcd that he felt the presently used polygr3ph could be made vastl7 more sensitive and do a far better job if totally electronic. stated in his opinion that th:: .Stoelting 111:J.Chine is actually better than that. put out by Associated nesearch. ·. * · 11. . 'VIhile at ~-rriter met and talked ;.ri th, in ve17 general tern-;, other members includiing cer- - t - 3i. · ." 'l. .. m - e - m~ - ~ - rs - " of ' - --------------- .1 - • - .: - m ~ l! ~ t ~ h ese t.Ja ~ s - ----------------- .. c .. f) ... -~- .... · 12. Dy usin~ · and t.zi t.'lout disclosing any details G of the backcrou:1d of the ;.Triter, the trritcr H::ts abl8 to discuss n::~.rco­ an::~.l~·sis frnm en ancsthc:::iologist:;' point r.f _vim·I. Th•:! 1-rritcr found out L thd is v·~ry intcrasted in this type ·:>f >·Tork r1ut ba.:;ically (., only fron an anesthesioloGY point of vieu ::~.nd not criminal m.rco-an:'.lysis. apparantly feels th:lt any project of this kind :.zould be very ~·· val'..lable if one could be set up th::~.t Hpuld test anes·~llctic acen:~::;. He stated in a project like ti1is there is an absolut':! need of an EEG machine II since this is the only !moun· device that would indic~tc pertinent tj·pe of (_, br::~.·Ln activity. _ stated he believed that thc!'e :u"c many drugs tod::~.y that need -testing alan~ the:oe li."'l.es and he f olt that specialists 1> should be called upo:-t to assist in a project like thi:::. lie stated that a gre<!-t deal of test inc 13 could he done in connection wit!1 n'J\r druG:; and :;tated he uanted __ to worl( on his master •s thesis c on anesthetic druss (Acc