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~~~···- 6-7/; ,. I lO September 1951 !.mHOIWID\Pl TO THE FILE ,.,i SUBJECT: Conversation '-U'II-• ·. -{,·_ .. ·_··. lJ. September 1951 j r . {, •. .. ..• . .. ; : c... ~ . 1. ~d he felt the problems ,;ere so .C?mplex that a time 1 schedule questio~ at the present time. ' j 1 2. pointed out i,hc need for initiatinc some rese<ll'ch of o'.lr own to l{eep the co ation of the people who ilere serious. eD9ugh about it to. be actually maintaininr. projects. · ... J. The ir.unetliate use of the or;l'e meetinc syinposia was .considered as a mea.ns of obtaininr, a concensus of qual~fied opinion which l70uld also sut;£esi specific projects. s of hypnosis it Tias n.r:reed that - obtain the names of qualified l'l'ho might be a question. As a result of ·their interest in.hypn!)sis. s. ~ I.t ~m.s ~ar;reed tb-.iGht be a person fo~~ \,_..,.. approach should a qualifiea~ be sought for a survey. \ I" 6. aid he thoucht we should, in the early stages, use \.._.,.p~ychologis ra than p!;ychiatrist.s as they usually were more at home in - .. the use of controlle~ and reproduceable conditions. ted he knew v:a:.; a gre.;Jt expert on autonomic project ~ect to be initiated a lcinb t. ~ - ...a t a future date. C 8 •. · Both r,entlemen reiter=ited the fact tha~as crcatl.y. .. ~ ... intere~wd in botl1 hypnosis and interroc;ation nnd loolwd for~L.ard t--~ having.many specific project su;;gestions. . ' ~ (_,. 9. was i.nterested to hear of but raised ~uestion as to or not he could malie the p Jar'O'l, opcal surv~y fro'n the point of view of being vteJ.l enou~h known in America to be n~ccpted as a pr~ressional collear~e. d no sugt;estions relative to the research project chart 71hich W1dertake. - ' :k .. • ·---. ------" l ·:L:.· . ' ·- .·. ---- -·-- ~=========-------- ,- ,, . . ~ .. J -- . ~f < l . .i . l? . . ..7 .. .. _''-:..~. ·,;... ~ ·~ X'i !;. ·i _(;,i.~tfj\1~~ . ·f I{ ,{3 ~ \Ji:U ZIJJIJ:if.' e:<perL~ :~} ~~~r~o~d~!;;~~i 11. A was nentioned as an .. l He me3caHne. wao tho'>~tht t.o have certain traits which micht limit hi3 usc!tij~~- . ~ 12 elt in the physiological and psycholocicallinos or--,. __ ,._~~·--- ,.....~~ • activity narrow the proble"' to five The image displays a digital representation of a document header, not the document itself. A stylized title, "THE BLACK VAULT," is prominently featured in a neon-like font. To the left, a graphic depicts a vault door with intricate mechanical details and a blue glow. The majority of the image consists of white text on a black background, providing information about the document's origin and content, highlighting its retrieval from The Black Vault and its relation to the MKULTRA/Mind Control Collection. A yellow URL is also present at the bottom of the text. There are no photographs, handwritten notes, official stamps, forms, diagrams, tables, redactions, or visual evidence of experimental procedures. ·f I{ ,{3 ~ \Ji:U ZIJJIJ:if.' e:<perL~ :~} ~~~r~o~d~!;;~~i 11. A was nentioned as an .. l He me3caHne. wao tho'>~tht t.o have certain traits which micht limit hi3 usc!tij~~- . ~ 12 elt in the physiological and psycholocicallinos or--,. __ ,._~~·--- ,.....~~ • activity narrow the proble"' to five major problems: · ' • ,' -.;.~1;)!; a. A thorough study of'. interview techniques and methods. · ~~/ '!' _;; b. The boW1daries of hypnotic phenomen~. (See 4. above). -- ~~-~~· 5~~~ c. Evaluation of deception detecting devic . es . _(~ee 7. a~ove). d. Evaluation of basic physiolocical studi~s relatinc to the project•:·~: ·;"~ author be·consid to do thi could be ... author of n evnl.uation of his wou1d be 'valuable. ·r ::... ' might be too. inQ.i vidualisti;:) ~ Ob~op.f of the report of the · · ·~ ·. of~n ~~~:..study -the report and carry on researc wh~rP. they eft off; US:lnG the knowledee developed in the last five years about of uable s ~l ·-";fi~'> 13. to hear he could stated th in interroaation valuable A- lu. awa;r with the impression that the breadth of the problen will make necessar~ for full time perso1mel on the problem to take an active part in outlining thd' actual ~cienti!ic problem to be investigated. ~· evident throuch the facts that the situation chart to be prepared by.~. . ..:.~~~--·~ office rill probably reprP-sent many uncontrolled conditions. Thc·basl.c research to establish foreign capabilities will have to be based on controllP-d conditions which have to be chosen from the great variety of.specific situations which are a?tually encountered in practice. : : .: •.! - ··- I .. .• - 2- - ~p • t' 10 September 1951 Hfl,:ORANDIP..~ 'tO THE FILE - ·--· .. c., SUBJECT: with-...~lfll3 Septein.bcr 1951, in -. . . ....... _ : . . 1. ~~ed that setting up a progr~ of investir,ation in ... ' chi~sycholocic aspects of the problem was of first importance. time schedule.shouid be developed for settinr; up aid that could not be done that afternoon wi lA A 2. ~forme t a.t the meeting of 1 Aucust th:€ U... fpanel fe~~~ hichl ed persons should be hirE>d on a temporary ·- bu't full-time 'basis to collect all the significant information relating to the major aspects of the problem. These were thought to be three:- hypnosis physioloCY _ ,.--_ -, ' use of drugs The document is a typewritten memorandum dated "18 September 1951" with a handwritten annotation "A/B, 5, 59/1" at the top. The majority of the text is obscured by black redaction marks, obscuring names and specific details throughout the numbered points. In the margin, there are handwritten annotations and symbols (e.g., "C", "A", "B", "H-93c", and circled "e", "A" next to numbered points). Additionally, there are faint horizontal lines and dots, possibly indicating a form or template underneath the typed content. The document shows no photographs, diagrams, or clear evidence of experimental procedures, but the redactions suggest sensitive information is being withheld. This document page contains typed text with handwritten annotations in blue and black ink on the left margin, appearing as alphanumeric codes (e.g., "H-B/6", "B/6", "C", "B/3", "F", "A"). Several sections of the text are obscured by black redactions, varying in size and shape. The overall page appears to be a scan or photocopy of a report, with some areas showing signs of age and degradation common in such documents. At the bottom center, a page number "-2-" is visible. There are no photographs, diagrams, or official stamps evident. meeting of 1 Aucust th:€ U... fpanel fe~~~ hichl ed persons should be hirE>d on a temporary ·- bu't full-time 'basis to collect all the significant information relating to the major aspects of the problem. These were thought to be three:- hypnosis physioloCY _ ,.--_ -, ' use of drugs in psycholocical treatment ~~ated th~se the need for immediate short-term problems as experts ~be readily hired and would not produce project· outlines until their reports. were in, which would mean about six month~ de~ay • • v ! .... - • ·' • ' \ --·-·--·------------ ' \ I ' ' ' • I \ \ \ \ \ ~un.TJ.CT: .convcr:'::-·t.io'' \v.i 1.11 . \ • • 1. 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Until ;"I thorou::;h sl-ur~~. o.r h:'P'~o:-;is h-::' s be on mndc, the p:'lllcl · : uill defer nny st.:'ltement r:s memo to · ~ur:~nt l.?;,l) J of Tnchnic<Jl 1\rc<•~ - Il;J·pnosis - The f;~nr~1 felt thnt infonni:tion obt~inerJ UtdCr h:,·pnC':-;i::; T1<l.Y t.'C lnrgcly i.ho i)")(liVictUC'l~ rh.~ntc:::iCS ,:"flcl .I drc: JilS. Until ;"I thorou::;h sl-ur~~. o.r h:'P'~o:-;is h-::' s be on mndc, the p:'lllcl · : uill defer nny st.:'ltement r:s t,o its role ~n this project. J of rl~n 0f J1 t.t; ck - The rc:1 ::;on for the clcf~rrnJctrL .of an ovnluv- -1-\ {~;/ 2 -/ . ·t ion nf in-1.-dlic'cncc reports <'bout~ctivity i:; thGt cv~lua.­ ~ tion is .imp~s~;ih1c until \vc he~vc ... firrii me'.trix of scic:nti ficr;ll~· l · . c.:'it:-blir.hcd f;·cts· ~G:J.iru;t. l-ihich the~· C:"'n bll comp::rcd for crcdlbilit.y, .~;: · · ct.c. · ~ .. '· q A J. .l. c m;-~de C':'!1~iri"':ri.nc: h:"vin:-: Hhr!n. t'p:~rop~·i:-tc, : A . ... n. Be desired to follou up~'::; intcr~st; nn.d : . b. 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He tcld him of the ~ acencic~ :m<1rcnc;,~ of c::r'J.stin~ de1.n:;er~ ~rr.! til~ indod~rin~'tion of ovcr so::s employee:; relati,•e to acccptoncc of n:cuical cr.rc. ouJ.rl b~ purt:hC>.~Ajcd :'pprovcd i:hi::; A i • . : ~ r . 10. Th~ ch:1rt rcl~ti,rc t.n dtu:"..tion~ ary1 ~Jh~t h.:-s m·o-,cu cffccthc ~ (Sec minnt.n::; of Jllcctinr;, .Jul~.: :?Jrd, lt~r.t D;-2). 'J1tc r;:·nci rk~irc ' ,' ' JTlC~~:;· of focusinr, 1 on the rno~'\:. import:'lnt ;-rc:·::;. crrint~ to the q'losti"'r-; ::;t: ted nn:;Hcr L·y i'ur;ust 2Cth Gll(l ~mr:~lnicnt."':r-::.· rcl;·+,ive to effccti:vcn!~S::; of rnctho-J::; F ~h;..rt. L:ill 1;c rcfe • , •• - . . ~ .. -! • •, ~ .... The document appears to be a typed memorandum with handwritten annotations. There are black redactions obscuring parts of the text throughout the page, particularly in the subject line and within the body of the text. In the top right corner, there is a handwritten note in blue ink: "A/B,5, 59/2". There are no photographs, forms, diagrams, tables, or stamps visible on this page. The visual cues primarily consist of the typed text and the handwritten additions and redactions. The page is a handwritten document with some typed text. There are several redacted sections throughout the document, obscuring a significant portion of the content. The handwritten annotations include "A/B, 5, 59/3" at the top right, and "C" and "A" noted in the margins next to specific lines of text. The document appears to be a memorandum with a subject line and numbered points, detailing a conversation. There are no photographs, stamps, forms, diagrams, schematics, or organizational charts visible. The visual elements are primarily the contrast between the typed text and handwritten notes, and the presence of extensive redactions. ' ,' ' JTlC~~:;· of focusinr, 1 on the rno~'\:. import:'lnt ;-rc:·::;. crrint~ to the q'losti"'r-; ::;t: ted nn:;Hcr L·y i'ur;ust 2Cth Gll(l ~mr:~lnicnt."':r-::.· rcl;·+,ive to effccti:vcn!~S::; of rnctho-J::; F ~h;..rt. L:ill 1;c rcfe • , •• - . . ~ .. -! • •, ~ .... The document is a typed memorandum with handwritten annotations. The most prominent handwritten elements are a header in the top right corner, "A/B, 5, 59/4" and "8 August 1951", and various lettered annotations and notations in the margins, such as "C", "A", "H-B/3", and "A BE". There are also several scattered black marks and smudges throughout the document. The content appears to be a report of a meeting or discussion, with various points numbered and bulleted. There are no photographs, diagrams, or stamps visible. Some portions of the text are redacted, indicated by black boxes obscuring words. The document is a typewritten page heavily annotated with handwritten marginalia, mostly consisting of letters like "C," "A," and "B/3," indicating some form of review or classification. Significant portions of the text are redacted, appearing as black ink blobs, making it impossible to read all the content. There are no photographs, diagrams, or forms visible; the page consists solely of text and annotations. The redactions are scattered throughout the document, obscuring entire phrases and sentences, particularly around the numbered points and within the main body of the text.