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This document summarizes an interrogation conducted between January 11 and January 24, 1951, regarding a subject who provided evasive and possibly false information, leading to several suppositions and collateral questions about the subject's sanity, the situation's origin, and the involvement of others.

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/ff18 Rt£::.'····· / - '· . ..,-· //1--- I -· / I ) VIA- f· SUBJ~ Bluebird acti•~ty SUl!UATiY • Onder instructions of the! Chief or I&.S, the o~;-:j -- .q F and · ...1 period 11 January and 24 Janua-ry 1951 and partcipated in the interrot;J.tion of an individual as the reque:Jt off ice_t,; of &- - the I- I mosLEM "\, '. '!' . - .. ~ ......... -... ;:li. .. :. ....... - · . .,; .. .. - . = ·"' .. .I." ·' " S~bjcct was int.crrog.-.tcd tit~ Gre:,t lenGth .1ftc:r his arr~ot by officers r ... ( ,,1 . ,~;.,, Q[ t.his agency but $ut!j'!ct P,:ttve no p-o--~t detail:~ nnc.l furni!jhcd only in- ~ C'z.. IA-"'·1 fornution which appenred to be.\ralse and evasive. I'; . ... i . I . ~· ---------------- -~--- ----- ·--------·--- ... r iJ VI~ Fer' t:lasic SUppositions therefore pr~scnted themselv-es for solution: ~) Vlaa the subject insane? ....., ('!) \'las the entire sn.uation·-inspired? .,.r.:.:.- .. ~ -~- (G) was the entire situation a well worKed OU"t. plan to ~ <•!:' l t\ I I'J money (or services) by l"raud? (5>) ''Tas the entire SJ.tuation.legJ.t:unate? ;- stemm1ng from the abov-e suppositions were many colateral questions proolems~.-,~~ -£.~.t;_ '--..... tL./r-tL.r.-...,~ ......... 7 ·:. or ,. .. -..A..._ (A) How did subject obtain his technical information? (B) Vfhat vras the pre§_~t situation and \':hereabouts re- gat.a.ing all individnals involved? - (C) Where was subjec-r. from mid-A~gust to his arrest in De~, :·} ... J" (D) Ex;lct and minute/ description of the principals in the case •. (E) Exact and minute/ description of the instruments invol\red • .Ett. , -F·?·•- - q +.'-<: .~ Since direct interrQ.bation had not produced full ans;·1ers or e:<Planations for the above the B team was ~ briefed on the case and subject wa~ 1 3,13 made a vaulable for ."Sftfii§£1~. 1 1.: (.} t IJ lt.;) tJ ( _!, • ... T.sehhical Opera ticns 1'-.· · Subject ~as if1-r.errogated by B. team members and L1 I ".;,1"1/.., ,,,..l:l' ;"'1',.·~11) I ~upon dtc~sions tbree lS Jan, 16 Jan, and lo Jan. By previous aBree- 1, mcnt a pplygrpph test was used .a a cover for B ,, technique:; in each instanw. • J . . subject WJS informed that the ?triter was seine to.L~::;t subject on the -. pcly~aph to' confirm c.·e rt-ain previous statement::J. After machine 'Has The page displays an image reminiscent of a vault door, with intricate mechanisms and a glowing blue light. Overlaying this image is the title "THE BLACK VAULT", rendered in a stylized font with a neon glow. Below the title, text explains that the document was obtained from "The Black Vault," an online database of declassified government documents, specifically mentioning the MKULTRA/Mind Control Collection. The page also includes a URL for downloading the collection, presented in a bright yellow font. There are no photographs of people, locations, equipment, handwritten annotations, signatures, official stamps, forms, diagrams, schematics, organizational charts, tables, structured data, redactions, or visual evidence of experimental procedures. The document appears to be a declassified memorandum with official headings and handwritten marginalia. The top right corner has handwritten numbers, and several sections of text are obscured by black redactions. There are also handwritten annotations, such as "A," "F," "GF," and "H," appearing in the margins and next to specific lines of text. A section labeled "SUMMARY" contains typed text describing an interrogation, with a handwritten word "PARTIENT" above "details" and another handwritten annotation near the bottom. The document includes horizontal lines of text that are completely obscured by redactions. There are no visible photographs, diagrams, or forms with filled-in fields. and lo Jan. By previous aBree- 1, mcnt a pplygrpph test was used .a a cover for B ,, technique:; in each instanw. • J . . subject WJS informed that the ?triter was seine to.L~::;t subject on the -. pcly~aph to' confirm c.·e rt-ain previous statement::J. After machine 'Has set • • , ... ~.1-'•Jo.'i'S. !.up two (fake) tests were made and these tests sho·.ved a "ncwec::e~ condition" 1 on· the part of the subject, ~who had, im:nediatel:r prior to the r) ~·-1 po~.:;raph test, checked subjects. physici<ll condition •ms .t.h eQ ~ailed in L. . . ' l I ,. .. ·• -~·:..:...·--- ~~ : · . · ~ . 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'":: ~,.,.. r• • • ., •· .... • • #' ~- \.., ••' • • •· • . ------------------------------------------------------------··-·---- ·- b ~c ~oo," D.,._ and presc -. r-i-b-· ed a '~e" to "qu~et subjects n~rve3 11 to insure a better .• & 1: -~- polygraph t.C:jt.. This l.Jbr.ocide" was infac t tic:e of sodiur.J. amytol. ':'iriter I than talked to subject and began prep.-'lrations for anothe.::- polygraph test ft_t. . .".:~~-·i/• ~l•LI-~ IA-'(.',•t_ ,;)_ untiJ,r amytol took effect and S'Ubject-wen~to:.:~leep. __ N?_t._e_;Jledica.l report. covers this i'i-&L•/'h u ~- ~?.(:;. .,. ~-~~L.) I ., ';. to 1~',' ,_.,,~: In, gener~l1e&. e~ the abo:•e ,cover" to start the 1 .....__ t'Jt. r.i.. Jot•/~,. ~,-.; .tA·•>· <-r'•· ,.J operation,~ only minor details varied in intern:tcations of the· 16th and li:Sth. The entire body or the interrogations wc::!S recorded imde :. VJIIl:: supervision using ~ and tape recorders with inicrophone h~ld by writer ·' close to the subjects mouth. -" ~- Note- See technical report attached submitted b ~ y~!"' nL1 J case Details: . o'.; By agreement wi thA agency personnel :,tl::J concerned, th~ fcilrst. interroga. tion . I was general and testing of the subjects responses and arme~at ~for~ation :Ia_. behavior pattern unde Length of the actual interrogation was about _.., ~ .. 5'3 1 hour. In general1unde~subject restated his basic story concerning .... the individuals and in:3truments involved; hovr this orginal situation came ... about; what: various moves he had made; etc. etc. Subject also described j.• .. . . "'•·- It~ ~ ~.. ;i , . in general detail tJ\ I"~l l1cipals involvcdl' \isl the7wi ( present and f1lture a.ctivitie:t :Ee<l..I!!%Wii':l, inst~ents, locations. Subject !uthbrmore dis .. cussed his whereabouts dnri.ng the period from mid-August 1950 to about ~· ... J ,.,/.... ; . . the middle or DecP.mbcr 1950 ...-,-~, I - • .._. ._.._ . _.._. · _ _""_ __) . _." ~m.trr N 'v '·Subject gave some other information both extr~eous ar~ directly related to the instant case. Interntgaticn "'IC\S ltoncluded w·ith sub~ec. .t. eradually • fading into sleep and unable to sustain This page appears to be a typed document, likely an excerpt from a report or case file, with several lines of text and some handwritten annotations. There are no photographs, diagrams, or organizational charts present. Several sections of text are redacted or obscured by black marker, particularly in the "Technical Operations" section and in the numbering of questions. Handwritten annotations include numerical figures and what appear to be initials or short notes. A stamp indicating "MESSNS" is visible, though partially obscured. Overall, the visual content primarily consists of the contrast between typed text and deliberate redactions, suggesting sensitive information that has been officially obscured. The document appears to be a typed report with handwritten annotations. There are several sections of obscured text, indicated by black redaction bars, occurring in the middle and towards the bottom of the page. Handwritten notes and symbols, such as arrows and checkmarks, are present in the margins and alongside the typed text. There are also some numbers written in the margins, such as "3, 3" and "pt-5/3", and a circled "A" near the end. The document mentions "polygraph test", "sodium amytol", "tape recorders with microphone", and "interrogations", suggesting a context of psychological or behavioral experimentation. middle or DecP.mbcr 1950 ...-,-~, I - • .._. ._.._ . _.._. · _ _""_ __) . _." ~m.trr N 'v '·Subject gave some other information both extr~eous ar~ directly related to the instant case. Interntgaticn "'IC\S ltoncluded w·ith sub~ec. .t. eradually • fading into sleep and unable to sustain intelligent con·.-ersation. ------------------------------------------------·----·--··------------11 ' . second Int-sw-r-o-g-at-io-n (16 Jan 19)1) ·- ---·-· .~/The second interrogation was aimed at a more specific development of -'C) • r, j <l.A. ~ "new" and rep~ted sta:t;ements given b;; the subject in the fir::;t interrogation. +:- 1\J\f'L I r=tc·t\ 1 (1t•l ;f 1 .. :) In general subjects story remained the same with some of details .' d' ~nd . regarding previous activities, locations, individuals other matters both ! i I ~ :', ~ ~~ .. J . . I P ' .tinent • ~~~ ~~tra\ u e ous - • ~ 1 1 ~... - r- /)., .. ' . r ( ~ ~I·IO~ . l / • _ ,, . 1 l -1..: /L o'h -u·,f.. .... -. ·~ (_ ~ • Jl. 1 ' ' ) , J ' •I · I '/•L.' -· :;· ,:.: ... i ,.. . ..--- .-Third \final) Interrogation tlB Jan 1951) · -- - ___ ...... -· N .. o .. t e -- - ·- in - t > e rrogation of subject was postponed one day (16 to l~ Jan) to give all individuals ccncerned an opportunity to re·.riew the informati'on ·~ ': obtained, ·to secure replies and instructions from ~ashingtion to c:1.bles .. . .1· ~-• '"' r I .J sent regarding the first and ~ee.ta interrogationsj and to permit full Ai!8J+ -. I \ '· "recovery" on the part of the Subject to th ... .,.. techniques, D ~ 1 By agreement with all agency personnel concerned and in response to certain Washingtonninstruotions, the Third Interrog~tion was aimed ~·J:l•!-v.~ ... r_ at securing specific, detailed and exact information concerning in ll~-- dividuals and instruments involved in th±s case. In this connection :J.-,.1 .. .:..- \ subject was qucstioned~in minute detail concerning_ the instruments inYolved, ~ .. I A)(- I (~ize, color, shape, weight, construction, operat~ principl~s, distribution, ~ protection, manufactur~1 .use, parts, replac~ments, transpcrtatio~ etc. etc.). • ., • Subject was also questioned at ~ length concerning the principaJ.:s iD-.=olved ~. ~ ' and details wera~obtained regarding their exact physicalldcscriptions, ~ The page contains mostly text, with several handwritten annotations and marks overlaid. There's a large, dark, vertical mark on the left side of the page, possibly a smudge or a stamp that has bled through text. Handwritten notes appear in the margins and between lines of text, correcting or adding information. Additionally, there are underlines and asterisks next to certain phrases, likely for emphasis or attention. No photographs, diagrams, forms, tables, or evidence of experimental procedures are visible. the instruments inYolved, ~ .. I A)(- I (~ize, color, shape, weight, construction, operat~ principl~s, distribution, ~ protection, manufactur~1 .use, parts, replac~ments, transpcrtatio~ etc. etc.). • ., • Subject was also questioned at ~ length concerning the principaJ.:s iD-.=olved ~. ~ ' and details wera~obtained regarding their exact physicalldcscriptions, ~ individual behavior patterns ec-cdttricities, mannerisms, ronner cf dress,· ,, 1 ' use of lar1or:-uage,. intellectual capacity, motives etc. etc. In addition some l . t other detailed inforlilc-.tion w.u Qbtaincd but becau::;c of ~ubjccts phy~ical ; .. • • • condition. (See !.!edical Report) this interrogation was concluded rapidly ~ . amd before all the desired information could be secured, ... .· . . /. ·' n,. _____________ -···----·· _.:.....

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